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Post by Avacyn on Sept 5, 2019 20:59:49 GMT
I thought I would start this, because of the latest developments, and let's face it... this is now a more epic saga than Game of Thrones. Now, people will be aware that the "Revokers" have been hard at work, to go and put into law that No Deal is not possible, and to make the current Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, go to the European Union for an extension, if no agreement can be made in time. Moreover, this law would give the European Union the ability to decide the terms, the duration of the negotiation period, and such forth. All grim stuff for democracy. However, as mentioned here, a particular amendment went through unopposed, presumed by mistake. However, when you look at it closer, it gets very interesting indeed. Here is a video that goes into the details, and quotes verbatim the amendment in question: In their haste to ram things through Parliament before Prorogation, they did not think things through. The amendment unbinds the Prime Ministers hands. Instead of a copy and paste letter, he can provide them a copy and paste letter... and another letter telling them that they will go and discuss the the rejected Theresa May deal, and also discuss the 21st May 2019 concessions she made. This would be easily possible, because of the fact that it would be a new session, and thus can be resurrected. This is easily going to go and cause an uproar, and with twenty seven countries all having to agree on an extension, I cannot see this going down very well at all. But, there is more to it than that. They are now talking about the being a vote to trigger a General Election. And if you note, Labour wants to set the date for it, to be after the 31st October. I suspect that this is to ensure that there is an prolonged Election campaign period, stopping Boris from being able to negotiate anything. Thus, having to have him beg for an extension, they can then have the extension in place, in time for the new law to come into effect. The reality is this: the people can see that Boris inherited a mess, and has no ability to do anything. He has also been very hardline with the "Rebel Alliance," stripping them of any ability to represent the party any more. In an Election, they would be replaced with new Conservative candidates. In addition, the North of England is seething, and will take out their wrath at the polling station. Labour is going to be destroyed in such an election. Plus, the Conservatives will most likely field a candidate against the Speaker of the House, John Bercow. This breaks convention, but I don't see him getting back in anyway. A chimpanzee could stand, and the people would likely vote for it, to eliminate him from the Commons. In short, Boris would win in a massive way, and there would be nothing to stop him from taking control of things. Moreover, should the European Union agree an extension, Boris Johnson can go and present the Teresa May deal - with the additions - to Parliament, where it would be greeted like the Hindenberg on its final voyage. The bill being passed now, can also be swiftly repealed, as best as possible. Or - more likely - additional Bills could be passed, that make the whole negotiation a landmine for the Eurocrats to walk through. Emmanuel Macron was very eager to just get rid of the United Kingdom the previous time. What would his response to this mayhem be? And utter mayhem could well be the greatest weapon here. The Europeans love order, and hate chaos. Give enough of it, and you will see them want to get rid of us, in desperation. At least, this is my take on things... what do people think?
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 6, 2019 6:44:43 GMT
This is a tricky one.
I was thinking about the way we used to follow the daily developments on the old forum. I just can’t do that now. My brain has stopped taking it all in.
I remember that you said then that my updates were useful. I see that you have now gone far ahead of me and understand what is going on far better than I do.
It is obvious that some forces want to keep us in the EU ‘by any means necessary’.
The Brexit Party is preparing for a general election, and they are launching their campaign on Monday.
They are having training sessions for canvassers:
“Our Campaign Launch explains how to do this. We will provide vital training for all our parliamentary candidates, councillors and activists. We will explain the strategy and tactics that will help get us as many votes and seats as possible. Most importantly there will be training for Pericles. This is the most advanced canvassing app ever to be used in the UK and exclusive to The Brexit Party. Pericles enables all canvassing to be done using your own mobile phone or tablet.”
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 6, 2019 6:46:14 GMT
“And utter mayhem could well be the greatest weapon here. The Europeans love order, and hate chaos. Give enough of it, and you will see them want to get rid of us, in desperation.“ This reminds me of what I have seen about the best way to get rid of a narcissist, psychopath etc. You need to make them think that you are not worth the effort. I thought of you when I saw this: “This is insane. There's no other way to describe the deranged behaviour of the political class over Brexit. Parliament resembles a Mad Hatter's Tea Party. To further the Lewis Carroll analogy, we are living in a Looking Glass world where MPs have decided, like Humpty Dumpty, that words mean whatever they want them to mean.“ www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7428755/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-time-squabbling-grotesque-circus-got-town-good.html
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Post by magpiejack on Sept 6, 2019 8:52:58 GMT
I've been very suspicious of the issue of Brexit for a long time as it triggers flashing red lights and sirens for me when there is an issue that gets everyone's emotions on a rollercoaster. I can't believe what has been going on, friends falling out over Brexit and so forth, I keep my opinions to myself when anyone brings it up as I have never encountered such an emotional political issue. Emotive issues are often a distraction from other more important issues.
I think that Brexit is part of a much bigger picture. I mentioned elsewhere that I suspect that there is a massive power struggle going on, there are a lot of issues going on that I suspect are connected; Brexit, Epstein, Trump, Meghan, and a shake-down of some organised crime activities. In recent days I've noticed the largest ever drugs seizure in Britain that follows another huge drugs seizure a few weeks ago, two sex trafficker arrests, seizure of a large haul of guns at a British port and, of course, Epstein.
It seems that there is a struggle for supremacy that has nothing to do with the people, it's about money. One theory that I came across is the suggestion that the City was behind Brexit, as the City of London is a major tax haven. The EU has been making moves to end tax evasion (ironic seeing as Junker turned Luxembourg into a tax haven) so maybe the powers behind the EU are trying to weaken the City's strength as a major financial centre.
Follow the money! Of course, whilst all this is going on, there is nothing in the MSM about the pillaging of Africa's natural mineral resources, that's been going on for decades and still is.
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Post by magpiejack on Sept 6, 2019 10:46:08 GMT
Further thoughts
Thinking further, maybe we can look at the EU's attack on Brexit and also the Markle debacle as a two-pronged attack on Britain, in order to destabilise two of its power bases - the City and the royal family. The royals - well, that's obvious.
With the City - I think that if Brexit fails, the EU will never forgive or forget what was the will of the people, and their opinion of Britain was always low to begin with. Britain has always had a raw deal and especially as the most recent countries to join the EU have not been contributors, it is seen mainly as a cash cow as a major contributor. The EU has always given Britain a raw deal, I am thinking especially of the loss of fishing rights and farming; French farmers have always had a better detail in comparison and a farmer's wife told me about 10 years ago that she knew several farmers who were selling up and moving to France.
If our fishing and agricultural industries are strengthened, that will lessen our dependence on imports from the EU and lower the GDP of continental EU countries.
It will certainly punish the City, maybe they will attempt to take away the City's function of Euro clearing though I have seen several finance commentators say that nowhere in the EU has the expertise to do it efficiently. They can't match London or New York in this skill area, but I think they would be dumb enough to do it just to score a point.
I do think Trump is on Britain's side - remember his visit and that he gushed about what a wonderful visit it was? I wonder if he handed over a dossier on a certain interloper.
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 7, 2019 17:14:43 GMT
Negative emotions: food and fuel for the reptilians?
“...it triggers flashing red lights and sirens for me when there is an issue that gets everyone's emotions on a rollercoaster.” magpiejack I agree. I understand why some people believe that humans are just cattle, providing food and fuel in the form of negative emotions for evil entities. They set up these scenarios to create flocks of panicking sheep and armies of angry attackers. People get swept up by the undercurrents. Many people are terrified of future medicine and other shortages, while others are furious because Remainers are doing everything they can to sabotage Brexit. Accusations and counter-accusations are flying around. It may be the start of something similar to the Civil War. It is important to keep calm and be balanced and objective while discussing and investigating these topics - often much easier said than done.
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Post by magpiejack on Sept 7, 2019 18:22:15 GMT
Negative emotions: food and fuel for the reptilians?
“...it triggers flashing red lights and sirens for me when there is an issue that gets everyone's emotions on a rollercoaster.” magpiejack I agree. I understand why some people believe that humans are just cattle, providing food and fuel in the form of negative emotions for evil entities. They set up these scenarios to create flocks of panicking sheep and armies of angry attackers. People get swept up by the undercurrents. Many people are terrified of future medicine and other shortages, while others are furious because Remainers are doing everything they can to sabotage Brexit. Accusations and counter-accusations are flying around. It may be the start of something similar to the Civil War. It is important to keep calm and be balanced and objective while discussing and investigating these topics - often much easier said than done. Well said. When someone looked at me like a frightened rabbit and said about Brexit, "We don't know what's going to happen!" it summed it up the present mood of the country for me. Everyone is so used to plodding along without any major national calamities, shopping 'til they drop for stuff they don't need. Heavens knows what would happen if we were ever at war again. My forebears didn't know what was going to happen in September 1939; they just went on with life as best they could and with fortitude. Whatever the Powers That Be have in store for this nation is beyond our control.
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 10, 2019 18:56:51 GMT
Five weeks without Parliament
I thought that something would happen to stop Boris, but it didn't.
I have a feeling that despite his promises, he will be forced to ask for an extension.
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Post by magpiejack on Sept 10, 2019 21:54:27 GMT
Five weeks without Parliament
I thought that something would happen to stop Boris, but it didn't. I have a feeling that despite his promises, he will be forced to ask for an extension. He can ask but he may not get - Macron is firmly against a further extension. Remainers seem to think that an extension request will be granted automatically, I don't know where they get that idea from. However, looking at the financial news and the Eurozone teetering on a cliff edge (even Germany is close to recession), the EU cannot afford to lose Britain as a contributor. Now that Christine Lagarde is head of the European Central Bank, I don't see the Eurozone crisis improving at all.
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 11, 2019 6:46:54 GMT
“Macron is firmly against a further extension”
True, although it may be a matter of having had more than enough of all the messing about versus being under orders from ‘them’ to prevent the UK from leaving.
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Post by magpiejack on Sept 14, 2019 5:40:32 GMT
Cameron confession
A bit off-topic, Cameron is plugging a book where he discusses the issue of Brexit, but what got my attention was that he admitted that he and his wife smoked dope.
My OH used to work with someone who lived close to Dean, the Cotswold village where the Camerons have a house. Hey David, guess what - it was no secret, everyone in the village knew!
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Post by magpiejack on Sept 15, 2019 11:06:25 GMT
Boris secretly a Remainer?The Sunday Times has excerpts from Cameron's new autobiography, he is claiming that Boris backed a cause "he didn't believe in". I have always suspected that Cameron was a secret Leaver, what is going on here? Both are on the side, I would say, of the City and its wealth, so why would they expose the City to the EU's war on tax havens? The whole issue of Brexit is smoke and mirrors, the majority believe that it's a simple matter of you either want to leave or not but it seems that there is a very tangled game going on behind the scenes.
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 15, 2019 16:35:03 GMT
Leaver or Remainer?
I remember that on the old CC Forum we discussed the possibility that ‘they’ wanted the UK to leave the EU and were using reverse psychology to achieve their goals. I said this:
“It wouldn’t say much for us if we hadn’t considered the possibility of a double-bluff, but I can’t accept it. These things work much better at the diplomatic level and when only a few decision-makers are involved.
Most people who voted to Remain accepted the propaganda at face value and were perhaps influenced by all the celebrities who came out in favour; many others who voted to Leave rejected all that – as did I. Only a few people would have voted Remain because they believed that sinister forces wanted us to Leave.“
I was talking about large numbers of people at the time; the political leaders now are another matter.
I can’t be certain about any of them. Maybe some are being forced to go against their real views. Maybe some just jump on what they think is the winning bandwagon.
I believe that both Cameron and BoJo are Remainers at heart, with Cameron being open about it and doing everything that he can to stop Brexit. I suspect that Jeremy Corbyn would love to Leave the EU, but his position forces him to support the Remainers.
I said this when there was a leadership election after David Cameron resigned and BoJo didn't take part:
“I wonder why Boris Johnson is no longer interested in becoming the Conservative Party leader and PM.“
I wonder whether ‘they’ arranged for BoJo to be put in charge of Brexit just so that he would sabotage it with his incompetence. Has he been set up to fail?
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Post by magpiejack on Sept 15, 2019 18:20:06 GMT
Labour switching sides
Back in the 70s, Labour were strongly anti-EEC (as it was called then, just a trading bloc) as they saw it solely as a rich man's club. Corbyn is very much in the mould of a 70s socialist and I am certain that he is anti-EU but as you say, he would have a lot of opposition from his party so he has been forced to toe the line.
From a finance point of view I would hope that the UK leaves; the Euro idealogical project is an unmitigated failure, doomed from the start to force a single currency on a collection of wildly different economies. It benefited France and Germany but disadvantaged the countries with weaker economies. It's interesting that allegations came out that the IMF approved the creation of the euro whilst downplaying the inherent weaknesses and disadvantages. The IMF's head, Christine Lagarde, is to take over as the head of the European Central Bank. She is a lawyer, not an economist and it shows.
The EU want to press ahead with an EU army, and also to have an EU-wide taxation and pensions system. I don't like the sound of either of those, we would probably see the end of our personal tax allowance as very few EU countries have one. The most generous personal tax allowance elsewhere is Germany's, at about £5000 p.a., less than half of Britain's.
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 16, 2019 7:35:13 GMT
What do ‘they’ want?
“The EU want to press ahead with an EU army, and also to have an EU-wide taxation and pensions system. I don't like the sound of either of those, we would probably see the end of our personal tax allowance as very few EU countries have one.” magpiejack I have always believed that ’they’ want the UK to stay. Not everyone on the old forum agreed, as this post from the past shows: “The reported result of the Brexit "referendum" is what the architects of our enslavement determined it should be. You have got to be flippin' kidding me if you believe differently. -- And you a self-proclaimed conspiracy forum. For shame, gentlemen.” He didn’t have much evidence to support his case. For me, it is enough to see who comes out as a Remainer and to watch them pulling all the stops out in an attempt to prevent our Leaving.
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 17, 2019 6:50:48 GMT
Times have changed
“Back in the 70s, Labour were strongly anti-EEC (as it was called then, just a trading bloc) as they saw it solely as a rich man's club. Corbyn is very much in the mould of a 70s socialist and I am certain that he is anti-EU but as you say, he would have a lot of opposition from his party so he has been forced to toe the line.”
I saw a good comment relevant to this in the DM:
“TimFixit, Corbyn and Co. Remainers disunited are already trying to incite a Marxist Revolution. Their ‘people should take to the streets’ call two weeks ago was the start. Today he announced he wants the unions back in power. What he forgets is the world has moved on and the heavy industries are gone. Yesterdays workers now have a mortgage and a nice car or two on the drive. They don't want or can afford to strike.”
The world has indeed moved on. The old games and slogans don’t work any more.
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 17, 2019 6:55:39 GMT
David Cameron
David Cameron is in the news because he has published his memoirs. This brings back memories of the events of 2016. A poster on the old CC Forum said: “Why would the Prime Minister have to resign over the results of the Brexit poll? What is the point of that? What does it have to do with him?“ My reply: “Perhaps it was a matter of honour and duty. The Captain must go down with his ship. Perhaps he felt that he should atone for letting his supporters – and masters – down and be seen to be punished for his failure. Perhaps he didn’t want to do a u-turn, preside over the changeover and work on negotiating something he doesn’t believe in. Sorting out the mess sounds like a daunting task. He was in his final term anyway.” In connection with what I said over three years ago about letting his masters down: “David Cameron phoned European leaders and then-US president Barack Obama to apologise after his strategy to keep the United Kingdom in the European Union failed. In his new memoir ‘For the Record’, the former Prime Minister confessed that he was aware of the ‘enormity of what happened’ after the June 23 referendum and admitted that it would ‘stay with me for the rest of my life’...” “To each I said the same thing: 'I had a strategy to keep Britain in the EU. I executed the strategy. It didn’t work. I’m sorry'.” Read more: metro.co.uk/2019/09/16/david-cameron-rang-world-leaders-to-say-sorry-for-brexit-vote-10749260/?ito=cbshare
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Post by magpiejack on Sept 17, 2019 20:32:46 GMT
Times have changed
“Back in the 70s, Labour were strongly anti-EEC (as it was called then, just a trading bloc) as they saw it solely as a rich man's club. Corbyn is very much in the mould of a 70s socialist and I am certain that he is anti-EU but as you say, he would have a lot of opposition from his party so he has been forced to toe the line.” I saw a good comment relevant to this in the DM: “TimFixit, Corbyn and Co. Remainers disunited are already trying to incite a Marxist Revolution. Their ‘people should take to the streets’ call two weeks ago was the start. Today he announced he wants the unions back in power. What he forgets is the world has moved on and the heavy industries are gone. Yesterdays workers now have a mortgage and a nice car or two on the drive. They don't want or can afford to strike.” The world has indeed moved on. The old games and slogans don’t work any more. I really don't know that to think about who really stands for which cause anymore - truth and sincerity have never been synonymous with politics! Good grief yes, the world has moved on. The only reason Clinton and Blair got elected was by moving left wing politics to the centre. There are some of us who remember the 1970s under Wilson and Callaghan, and the consequences of the frequent strikes - spending the evenings by candlelight with no TV due to power cuts, rat-infested streets due to uncollected rubbish, no bread in the shops (my mum had to make soda bread), the dead unburied and a massive national deficit. The 70s wasn't all great movies and music. So many people are in debt up to their ears nowadays, they wouldn't want to strike and lose pay. I've noticed in my recent workplaces too how so few people join the union. Manufacturing has been largely replaced by service industries and logistics/supply, with many on temporary or zero-hours contracts who would be too scared to strike as they know that they would be without a job if they did.
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Post by magpiejack on Sept 18, 2019 8:37:49 GMT
1970s memoriesThat has really got me thinking of what happened in the 70s. I was only a kid but remember it vividly, especially being told off during a power cut as I was running in the room, and the draught I created nearly blew out the candles! These images really bring it back; uncollected rubbish piled in the streets and typing by candlelight. Imagine if we had to go back to manual typewriters!
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Post by magpiejack on Sept 18, 2019 8:48:46 GMT
What do ‘they’ want?
“The EU want to press ahead with an EU army, and also to have an EU-wide taxation and pensions system. I don't like the sound of either of those, we would probably see the end of our personal tax allowance as very few EU countries have one.” magpiejack I have always believed that ’they’ want the UK to stay. Not everyone on the old forum agreed, as this post from the past shows: “The reported result of the Brexit "referendum" is what the architects of our enslavement determined it should be. You have got to be flippin' kidding me if you believe differently. -- And you a self-proclaimed conspiracy forum. For shame, gentlemen.” He didn’t have much evidence to support his case. For me, it is enough to see who comes out as a Remainer and to watch them pulling all the stops out in an attempt to prevent our Leaving. It is easy though to fix the result of a vote, paper or electronic. We like to think that it is all done properly and above board, but I doubt it. I listened to an interview once of an American who was a volunteer overseer of a paper vote count in a western US state; he said that he saw some anomalies and was told in no uncertain terms to 'butt out'. I don't believe for a moment that councils are above corruption. Not evidence I know, just my gut feeling. I have wondered if the real result was for Remain, or a landslide Leave victory and they lessened the margin in order to create discord. It has always seemed a classic case of divide and rule with the people of this country sharply divided. I don't know what the answer to that is, but it does stink of a game to mess with our heads. It spoke volumes to me when I was following the post-vote proceedings; one day there would be a development that angered Leavers and delighted Remainers; then it would come to nothing and Leavers would be happy and Remainers upset. A few days later, the reverse; Remainers angered, Leavers happy - then come to nothing. This cycle went on for ages and put everyone's emotions on a rollercoaster. Result - sharply divided nation.
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 18, 2019 17:11:36 GMT
“The 70s wasn't all great movies and music.” And TV sitcoms magpiejack! Some of them are my guilty pleasures, Are You Being Served and Fawlty Towers for example. Many episodes can now be watched on YouTube.
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Post by magpiejack on Sept 18, 2019 19:15:27 GMT
“The 70s wasn't all great movies and music.” And TV sitcoms magpiejack ! Some of them are my guilty pleasures, Are You Being Served and Fawlty Towers for example. Many episodes can now be watched on YouTube. It's funny how people in the 70s talked about 'all the rubbish on TV' - it seems like a golden age now. I liked Dad's Army, Rising Damp, Play for Today and Tales of the Unexpected, those immediately spring to mind. There were far better documentaries back then, now it is all about the profile of the presenter and they explain as if they are talking to five year olds. You can find a lot of classics still, some are on YouTube for a while until they are taken down for copyright infringement and there is also the Talking Pictures channel.
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 19, 2019 6:55:06 GMT
Why was the referendum permitted?
To get back to Brexit and June 2016, one theory is that David Cameron agreed to hold the referendum mainly to appease Tories who might otherwise have joined UKIP. He and his masters were confident that there would be a big Remain majority so no damage would be done. The result should help to silence the dissidents. The idea that ‘they’ really wanted a Leave result and were using devious methods to get it was not accepted by most of us. I believed very strongly that Remain was the preferred option. I said: “I am still wondering why the NWO/Illuminati/Freemasons/Rosicrucians/Reptiles/Rothschilds etc. would prefer a Leave vote.” I agreed with this comment from Avacyn: “I don't think this is likely, simply because...have you seen the propaganda that the BBC is pumping out? They don't usually operate on reverse psychology, they usually stick to very simple, fear-based, tried and trusted techniques.” We did realise that They might hedge their bets and be prepared to benefit from a Leave result: “Of course, I'm sure contingency plans will be made to exploit the situation.” “Speaking of Plan B, it is likely that ‘they’ did make contingency plans; another theory is that a Leave majority would make a very convenient scapegoat for an impending financial meltdown – and everything else on the horizon.“
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 19, 2019 6:57:04 GMT
Electoral fraud?
“It is easy though to fix the result of a vote, paper or electronic. We like to think that it is all done properly and above board, but I doubt it.“ “I have wondered if the real result was for Remain, or a landslide Leave victory and they lessened the margin in order to create discord.” magpiejack the poster on the old forum who believed that ‘they’ wanted the UK to Leave suspected that some Remain votes had not been counted. In my opinion, if anything it was Leave votes that went astray. From some posts at the time: Avacyn said: “People are able to observe and ensure the votes counted are done properly, you know. And anyone can apply to be one. In Australia, it is Scrutinier, in the United Kingdom it is known as Accounting Agent. Rigging elections would be done more through Postal Voting, and similar such methods of casting your vote.” I said: “The only suggestions I have seen that the EU Exit vote was rigged were from Leave supporters, who thought that the majority might have been larger. Ballot boxes in the polling stations are sealed and collected for taking to counting venues; in theory, some might get 'lost' in transit.”
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Post by magpiejack on Sept 19, 2019 8:03:35 GMT
Reasons for the referendumUnseenI , you quoted Avacyn : “Speaking of Plan B, it is likely that ‘they’ did make contingency plans; another theory is that a Leave majority would make a very convenient scapegoat for an impending financial meltdown – and everything else on the horizon.“ I keep an eye on the finance news and I would say that a recession is definitely on the horizon. I think this is going to be a global big one and hit hard, personal debt is rising phenomenally and many won't be in a position to cope with it. I still think that the City want us out of the EU, we all know that the City is like a separate state within this country. It is a major influence and if we remain in the EU, Brussels will be looking at ending its offshore tax haven business. We were told initially that many banks in the City would relocate across the Channel, but very few have shown signs of intending to do so. Unless you're a fly on the wall of conversations at the very top level, it's hard to know what to think. Smoke and mirrors!
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 20, 2019 7:08:06 GMT
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Post by magpiejack on Sept 20, 2019 11:27:52 GMT
The way the party is going, it is unelectable. I read the article, they want to renationalise but that is not permitted under EU law! The rich would just send their kids to private schools abroad. They also want to put 10% of company shares into the hands of workers, that will lead to a flight of capital from the UK and be the kiss of death of UK manufacturing, much would get shifted abroad. If there is an election with Corbyn at the helm of Labour, his past meetings with terrorists and accusations of spying for Czechoslovakia will undoubtedly be part of the counter-campaign. He refused to permit journalists to look at Cold War era Czech files that they may hold on him.
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 24, 2019 16:04:25 GMT
Well well well
I remember how we described the battle between Leavers and Remainers blow by blow on the old forum. Every development was posted about.
That is not possible here, but today’s Supreme Court ruling that BoJo’s prorogation of Parliament was unlawful is a real bombshell that deserves to be mentioned.
It makes me wonder whether he secretly counted on this.
Are ‘they’ trying to close all avenues of escape?
All bets are off it seems. Anything could happen now.
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 25, 2019 19:19:19 GMT
So Boris does not accept the Supreme Court ruling and wants a General Election.
I wonder what developments tomorrow will bring.
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 3, 2019 7:32:06 GMT
Remainers
From Avacyn on the old forum: “This is the simple reality now being faced by the Remain side: they have leaders that are farcical.“ My reply: “Farcical, and/or deluded, cynical, self-serving, corrupt, sinister... looking for some cause to champion just for the publicity and adulation – or because someone in the shadows has put them up to it. These people do not bear close inspection. David Icke said that some people and organisations are the exact opposite of what they say they represent. This makes me think of Gina Miller and her True and Fair Foundation.” Those were the days. I remember the Pimlico Plumber and the hairdresser who were Gina Miller’s allies in some key court cases. They seem to have dropped out but she is still going strong.
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