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Post by magpiejack on Dec 13, 2019 21:51:37 GMT
The shaggy dog story?BoJo's dog Dilyn got a lot of press in the past few days as he was taken on the campaign trail. He's a rescue dog, I think he's really cute.
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 14, 2019 7:39:18 GMT
Midlanders and Northerners etc.
“Knowing our nature I'm not surprised that it happened, though the scale of it is astonishing.” I am still digesting all the developments. I must admit to not knowing much about people in these parts of England. Were they showing Jeremy Corbyn what they think of him and all the leftist ideology? Was it BoJo’s major charm offensive that won them over? BoJo tried very hard, participating in various activities such as delivering milk, making tea, selling fish, icing cakes... Dilyn certainly was a big asset. The show is over now, but the war may still not be won. ’They' are determined to keep us in the EU and their agents have not given up: “Gina Miller has told the BBC that her fight against Brexit is still far from over, as she revealed how Remainers will next try to halt Boris Johnson’s deal. However, the arch-Remainer admitted that Boris Johnson's resounding victory meant that Remainers could no longer rely on Parliament to wreck Britain's departure from the EU.“ www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1216728/Gina-Miller-Boris-Johnson-Remainers-Brexit-election-news-latest
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Post by magpiejack on Dec 19, 2019 21:46:43 GMT
I think that Brexit is part of a much bigger picture. I mentioned elsewhere that I suspect that there is a massive power struggle going on, there are a lot of issues going on that I suspect are connected; Brexit, Epstein, Trump, Meghan, and a shake-down of some organised crime activities. In recent days I've noticed the largest ever drugs seizure in Britain that follows another huge drugs seizure a few weeks ago, two sex trafficker arrests, seizure of a large haul of guns at a British port and, of course, Epstein. Following on from this, I've seen that there has been a massive drugs seizure during five operations by the US Coast Guard in the eastern Pacific. "The U.S. Coast Guard has seized over 18,000 pounds of cocaine worth an estimated $312 million in a series of drug busts in the Eastern Pacific Ocean. The operation, part of joint efforts involving five separate Coast Guard cutter crews, concluded with one vessel, the Bertholf, off-loading the entire amount seized at the marine terminal in San Diego on Wednesday." abcnews.go.com/US/massive-drug-bust-leads-seizure-312-million-cocaine/story?id=67803058It included the interception of a submarine used in the transporting of drugs. There has also been the interception last month of a submarine on the Spanish coast that had carried about €100 million of cocaine from Columbia. elpais.com/elpais/2019/11/28/inenglish/1574935808_169925.htmlThere have been a lot of rumours about super-rich families and also the CIA being involved in the drug trade. With these massive drug busts, are they being taken down or are these amounts that seem massive to us just the tip of the iceberg?
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Post by Avacyn on Dec 20, 2019 0:28:13 GMT
I am still digesting all the developments. I must admit to not knowing much about people in these parts of England. Were they showing Jeremy Corbyn what they think of him and all the leftist ideology? Was it BoJo’s major charm offensive that won them over? A good part of it was Brexit. However, Corbyn has been a massive element as well. They hate him.
The North is incandescent with rage over the betrayal and abandonment of them. Labour has massively changed, and it is a soft communist party now, though there are some more moderate elements still about.
A very big thing as well... it might be that the political stance of the North is changing through generational shifts in political alignment. You have Grandparents that might lean Labour but grandchildren that lean Conservative. Also, the elected Candidate for Bolsover is 34 years old. So, it might be that things are shifting in that light as well.
Also, the Conservatives are very different under Boris - Much more the party of Disraeli's time. One thing the North is, it is patriotic. They believe in the notion of the nation of Britain. Boris is currently the personification of that.
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Post by Avacyn on Dec 20, 2019 0:37:04 GMT
I think that Brexit is part of a much bigger picture. I mentioned elsewhere that I suspect that there is a massive power struggle going on, there are a lot of issues going on that I suspect are connected; Brexit, Epstein, Trump, Meghan, and a shake-down of some organised crime activities. In recent days I've noticed the largest ever drugs seizure in Britain that follows another huge drugs seizure a few weeks ago, two sex trafficker arrests, seizure of a large haul of guns at a British port and, of course, Epstein. Following on from this, I've seen that there has been a massive drugs seizure during five operations by the US Coast Guard in the eastern Pacific. "The U.S. Coast Guard has seized over 18,000 pounds of cocaine worth an estimated $312 million in a series of drug busts in the Eastern Pacific Ocean. The operation, part of joint efforts involving five separate Coast Guard cutter crews, concluded with one vessel, the Bertholf, off-loading the entire amount seized at the marine terminal in San Diego on Wednesday." abcnews.go.com/US/massive-drug-bust-leads-seizure-312-million-cocaine/story?id=67803058It included the interception of a submarine used in the transporting of drugs. There has also been the interception last month of a submarine on the Spanish coast that had carried about €100 million of cocaine from Columbia. elpais.com/elpais/2019/11/28/inenglish/1574935808_169925.htmlThere have been a lot of rumours about super-rich families and also the CIA being involved in the drug trade. With these massive drug busts, are they being taken down or are these amounts that seem massive to us just the tip of the iceberg? We are part of the Alliance now. Boris and Trump are allies, and we are now taking on the Globalists. For example, Boris has banned any minister from attending the Swiss World Economic Forum - including himself. It is a Globalist get-together, and he is wanting none of that. Moreover, drugs and trafficking - child and adult - is a valuable money earner for the globalists. Every bust made is money they lose. Over time, it adds up. Trust me, they are hurting right now. It's why things like their Geoengineering projects have been scaled right back. They lack the funds to do everything anymore.
Why do you think the Democrats are going for Impeachment? Because it's the last roll of the dice. They have to get rid of Trump. Boris is the front line leader now, on the European Front. Because the UK is going to be having to directly deal with the EU, to extract itself out of it.
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Post by Avacyn on Dec 20, 2019 0:45:25 GMT
The show is over now, but the war may still not be won. ’They' are determined to keep us in the EU and their agents have not given up:
The war is well on the way to victory. No time to rest on our laurels, mind. We did very well on the 12th. Boris did a massive swamp drain beforehand, removing the whip from the 21 rebels. We made sure Labour took a huge beating. Lots of big Remainers have been removed, and also a number of the Shadow Cabinet. And they have to come up with another leader now. Which will be Corbyn 2.0, thus spelling the end of the Labour Party.
We have other fights ahead, but we can ease up for a week or two. Get our energy together, so we can be ready for the challenges ahead. Right now, the Remainers are in disarray, not able to know what to do next. They no longer can talk about another referendum - the public sentiment is very, very clear. And Boris is not forgetting the institutions that hindered and harmed his efforts. Expect days of reckoning ahead for them.
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Post by Avacyn on Dec 20, 2019 1:03:24 GMT
Avacyn is this a way of telling the world that there is no point in getting involved as we will be out of the EU at the end of January? It could be a devious way of trying to keep Leavers quiet. Well, they have set up the new Commission without us. They had no choice. As I understand it, there is no new commissioner, nor will there be: The Act is getting voted through, we are leaving.
We were in Purdah at the time, so it would have been deeply improper to send anyone. We could have done it beforehand, but I think Boris was more interested in getting a stable Parliament, and majority once more.
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 20, 2019 8:04:44 GMT
“We have other fights ahead, but we can ease up for a week or two. Get our energy together, so we can be ready for the challenges ahead.”
The forecast horrible weather and the seasonal illnesses mean that I should be able to catch up with Brexit and other developments!
“Also, the Conservatives are very different under Boris - Much more the party of Disraeli's time. One thing the North is, it is patriotic. “
This has reminded me of something! I see a whole new topic on the horizon. If the Sussexes stay off the radar, I may be able to look into it soon.
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Post by magpiejack on Dec 20, 2019 9:20:17 GMT
I am still digesting all the developments. I must admit to not knowing much about people in these parts of England. Were they showing Jeremy Corbyn what they think of him and all the leftist ideology? Was it BoJo’s major charm offensive that won them over? A good part of it was Brexit. However, Corbyn has been a massive element as well. They hate him.
The North is incandescent with rage over the betrayal and abandonment of them. Labour has massively changed, and it is a soft communist party now, though there are some more moderate elements still about.
A very big thing as well... it might be that the political stance of the North is changing through generational shifts in political alignment. You have Grandparents that might lean Labour but grandchildren that lean Conservative. Also, the elected Candidate for Bolsover is 34 years old. So, it might be that things are shifting in that light as well.
Also, the Conservatives are very different under Boris - Much more the party of Disraeli's time. One thing the North is, it is patriotic. They believe in the notion of the nation of Britain. Boris is currently the personification of that.
That's spot on, Avacyn . I was stunned that Darlington rejected Labour for the first time, my mother lived there before and during the war. Her father was a railwayman, it was a big railway town and the vast majority of railwaymen were Labour voters. Yes, they are fiercely patriotic there. Back then, Labour did stand for the working class - free healthcare, massive building of social housing and they even were against immigration on the view that it would threaten jobs, accusing the Conservatives of supporting industry through cheap labour. The rot set in during the 70s with the militants. These issues still matter to people who traditionally voted Labour, but Blair moved the party away from that. I can see the Labour party splitting in the future, as it is a fractious alliance of Blairites and Momentum. Another issue in the North is that the industries that employed many people have gone. There was a funny quote that I read in the Telegraph in an article on the BBC's pro-Labour, anti-Brexit bias, along the lines that "if you listen (to the BBC) for long enough, you come to realise that it's Islington talking to itself".
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Post by magpiejack on Dec 20, 2019 10:19:38 GMT
Soros investigation and reformed Treason ActI missed this story when it came out last month; could the intention to reform the Treason Act be related? " Tories call for urgent investigation into £3million that George Soros funnelled into anti-Brexit campaign aimed at bringing down Boris JohnsonBfB describes itself as a 'fellow traveller' with the alliance, which is expected to utilise its data. Hungarian-born Mr Soros helped to build his fortune by betting against sterling on Black Wednesday in 1992, causing panic in John Major's Government and earning him his notoriety. He says that his love for Britain led him to campaign against the 'tragic mistake' of leaving the EU. He said recently that the funds he has given for anti-Brexit activity were 'not used for partisan or electoral purposes. They were used to educate the British public'." www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7668695/Tories-call-investigation-3million-George-Soros-funnelled-anti-Brexit-campaign.htmlAnd in the news today: Boris Johnson orders crackdown on foreign spiesThe article is mainly about intelligence operations, but it also mentions this in passing: "It will further consider whether the treason laws – which have their roots in medieval times – also need updating." www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-7811119/Boris-Johnson-orders-crackdown-foreign-spies.html
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 20, 2019 19:38:08 GMT
"Right now, the Remainers are in disarray, not able to know what to do next. They no longer can talk about another referendum - the public sentiment is very, very clear."
Keeping up with developments is difficult enough, never mind trying to understand what is behind them and what the implications might be, but this seems obvious. The People's Vote organisation is redundant: the election was a form of referendum. Apparently Tony Blair has accepted that we are leaving.
The only possible exception is Gina Miller, who generated many posts on the old forum. She is determined to fight on. I am not sure what she can do now though.
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Post by magpiejack on Dec 20, 2019 20:10:25 GMT
"The only possible exception is Gina Miller, who generated many posts on the old forum. She is determined to fight on. I am not sure what she can do now though." I saw this headline in the Telegraph: "Brexit Bill has been 'Gina Miller-proofed' says Government as formal Parliamentary process to leave EU gets underway" It goes on: "Boris Johnson's new Brexit Bill has been beefed up to stop campaigners trying to scupper its progress in the courts ahead of the UK's expected exit from the European Union in six weeks' time. The strengthened version of the Bill makes clear that the UK will leave the EU at 11pm on Friday Jan 31, rather than leaving open the possibility of quitting the trading bloc earlier than that date. It also makes it unlawful for any minister to stop the UK leaving on Jan 31 or extending the implementation period to after Dec 31 2020. MPs will also not be given a veto over an extension of the transition period - nor will they have to approve the future relationship treaty, despite the commitments existing in the last version of the legislation." www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/12/19/brexit-bill-has-gina-miller-proofed-says-government-formal-parliamentary/The latest news is that the bill has passed its second reading in the Commons; if I remember correctly, that means that it now progresses to the Lords.
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Post by magpiejack on Dec 20, 2019 21:28:07 GMT
Number crunchingUnseenI, I was pondering whether there was any significance to the leaving the EU date of 31 January; 3 1.1.2020 3+1+1+2+0+2+0 = 9
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Post by magpiejack on Dec 20, 2019 21:59:18 GMT
Number crunching part 2
...and of course, we leave the EU at 11pm.
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 21, 2019 8:09:20 GMT
Alan B’Stard and The New Statesman
A comment from Avacyn has triggered some memories of yet another TV comedy that has connections with various topics on here. A few posts about it will provide some seasonal entertainment! Rik Mayall starred in the role of politician Alan B’Stard in The New Statesman, a TV comedy about UK politics that was made in the late 1980s/early 90s but has many aspects that are relevant today. B’Stard is an extreme right-wing conservative who cares for no one but himself. He dislikes the EU and wants to abolish the NHS. He speaks like an early Brexiter! Video extracts will go on the comedy thread, but these quotations and pictures are a good starting point: “England is the greatest country in the world!” “Are we going to stand up...and demand our country back?” BoJo has been saying similar things!
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 21, 2019 8:13:24 GMT
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This is definitely something to think about. I am still wondering what Gina Miller and her backers can do to stop the exit on January 31st.
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Post by magpiejack on Dec 21, 2019 15:33:59 GMT
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This is definitely something to think about. I am still wondering what Gina Miller and her backers can do to stop the exit on January 31st. Yes, that's true - I think that we were all broadsided by the tactics of Miller, Bercow et al this year.
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 21, 2019 19:42:39 GMT
And well before that we had the High Court actions with her friends the hairdresser and the plumber! That is all ancient history now.
They have not got long to decide what to do.
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Post by magpiejack on Dec 21, 2019 20:02:52 GMT
The President of the Supreme Court, Lady Hale, is retiring next month. There was some criticism of her ruling and rumblings of possible bias. Lord Carnwath and Lord Wilson will also reach the statutory retirement age in March 2020 in May 2020. The Lord Chancellor has the final say in who is appointed to the posts. www.supremecourt.uk/news/judicial-vacancies.html
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Post by Avacyn on Dec 21, 2019 22:23:02 GMT
“We have other fights ahead, but we can ease up for a week or two. Get our energy together, so we can be ready for the challenges ahead.” The forecast horrible weather and the seasonal illnesses mean that I should be able to catch up with Brexit and other developments! “Also, the Conservatives are very different under Boris - Much more the party of Disraeli's time. One thing the North is, it is patriotic. “ This has reminded me of something! I see a whole new topic on the horizon. If the Sussexes stay off the radar, I may be able to look into it soon. Meh, it's the final season. So to speak. Everything is now coming into place, and Boris is forging full steam ahead. The WAB is now passed over to the Lords, and I cannot see them dare to mess with it, as Boris is likely to go and conduct Lords reform at some point. Unless they dare risk him do it sooner? Glad to have given you something to remember.
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Post by Avacyn on Dec 21, 2019 22:39:19 GMT
A good part of it was Brexit. However, Corbyn has been a massive element as well. They hate him.
The North is incandescent with rage over the betrayal and abandonment of them. Labour has massively changed, and it is a soft communist party now, though there are some more moderate elements still about.
A very big thing as well... it might be that the political stance of the North is changing through generational shifts in political alignment. You have Grandparents that might lean Labour but grandchildren that lean Conservative. Also, the elected Candidate for Bolsover is 34 years old. So, it might be that things are shifting in that light as well.
Also, the Conservatives are very different under Boris - Much more the party of Disraeli's time. One thing the North is, it is patriotic. They believe in the notion of the nation of Britain. Boris is currently the personification of that.
That's spot on, Avacyn . I was stunned that Darlington rejected Labour for the first time, my mother lived there before and during the war. Her father was a railwayman, it was a big railway town and the vast majority of railwaymen were Labour voters. Yes, they are fiercely patriotic there. Back then, Labour did stand for the working class - free healthcare, massive building of social housing and they even were against immigration on the view that it would threaten jobs, accusing the Conservatives of supporting industry through cheap labour. The rot set in during the 70s with the militants. These issues still matter to people who traditionally voted Labour, but Blair moved the party away from that. I can see the Labour party splitting in the future, as it is a fractious alliance of Blairites and Momentum. Another issue in the North is that the industries that employed many people have gone. There was a funny quote that I read in the Telegraph in an article on the BBC's pro-Labour, anti-Brexit bias, along the lines that "if you listen (to the BBC) for long enough, you come to realise that it's Islington talking to itself". Interesting. My own used to be a railway town, though that ended in the 1950s or so. This is in Kent, mind you, so Tory territory. Nonetheless, it is still a working class town, which has been shredded up in various ways. The NHS is now broken, and it isn't going to get better overnight. Too many users, not enough staff. There are waiting times at the local A&E of 16 hours right now, because of the sheer volume of admissions. Utterly impossible situation. As for social housing, it is a nice concept, but don't know if it is the best idea. I also don't know much about the topic, so am not out to change things, or comment. Not until I have a better understanding of the topic. Immigration skyrocketed under Tony Blair. The man has done a lot of damage to the country, which was the whole objective of The Blair Project. I see Labour splitting into two as well, with Momentum staying, the Blairites leaving to form their own party. They are not stupid, they will know a bad situation when they see it, and a Party that went into a General Election with over £600,00 in debt, and slashed over half its staff, cannot be in healthy shape. No, best leave it to Momentum, so they can go down with the metaphorical sinking ship, and hopefully drown in the process. To help people, I thought I would add this video, as it is really good, and relevant. And David Starkey is always worth a listen, I find.
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Post by Avacyn on Dec 21, 2019 22:43:19 GMT
Soros investigation and reformed Treason ActI missed this story when it came out last month; could the intention to reform the Treason Act be related? " Tories call for urgent investigation into £3million that George Soros funnelled into anti-Brexit campaign aimed at bringing down Boris JohnsonBfB describes itself as a 'fellow traveller' with the alliance, which is expected to utilise its data. Hungarian-born Mr Soros helped to build his fortune by betting against sterling on Black Wednesday in 1992, causing panic in John Major's Government and earning him his notoriety. He says that his love for Britain led him to campaign against the 'tragic mistake' of leaving the EU. He said recently that the funds he has given for anti-Brexit activity were 'not used for partisan or electoral purposes. They were used to educate the British public'." www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7668695/Tories-call-investigation-3million-George-Soros-funnelled-anti-Brexit-campaign.htmlAnd in the news today: Boris Johnson orders crackdown on foreign spiesThe article is mainly about intelligence operations, but it also mentions this in passing: "It will further consider whether the treason laws – which have their roots in medieval times – also need updating." www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-7811119/Boris-Johnson-orders-crackdown-foreign-spies.html Very, very interesting. What this means is that there is going to be more swamp draining. When you consider that Voter ID is going to now be looked at seriously, it is clear that Boris is part of the Alliance that is taking on the Globalist Deep State. Updating treason laws is likely a step towards putting into prison - or capital punishment - people who have acted against the nation.
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Post by Avacyn on Dec 21, 2019 22:49:59 GMT
"Right now, the Remainers are in disarray, not able to know what to do next. They no longer can talk about another referendum - the public sentiment is very, very clear." Keeping up with developments is difficult enough, never mind trying to understand what is behind them and what the implications might be, but this seems obvious. The People's Vote organisation is redundant: the election was a form of referendum. Apparently Tony Blair has accepted that we are leaving. The only possible exception is Gina Miller, who generated many posts on the old forum. She is determined to fight on. I am not sure what she can do now though. I've been very focused on this, and trust me, it is easing up and simplifying now. We have a clear path to exit, and not even Gina Miller is going to stop it now. She cannot keep on going to the courts, as this is going to go against her in the end. Also, any effort now on her part is going to be tenuous at best. She would be handing reasons that would b clutching at straws, whilst in a hurricane at this point. Blair knows that it is going badly for him. Boris is going to undo what he did, and more. The man is many things, but stupid is not one of them. He knows when not to fight.
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Post by Avacyn on Dec 21, 2019 22:55:58 GMT
"The only possible exception is Gina Miller, who generated many posts on the old forum. She is determined to fight on. I am not sure what she can do now though." I saw this headline in the Telegraph: "Brexit Bill has been 'Gina Miller-proofed' says Government as formal Parliamentary process to leave EU gets underway" It goes on: "Boris Johnson's new Brexit Bill has been beefed up to stop campaigners trying to scupper its progress in the courts ahead of the UK's expected exit from the European Union in six weeks' time. The strengthened version of the Bill makes clear that the UK will leave the EU at 11pm on Friday Jan 31, rather than leaving open the possibility of quitting the trading bloc earlier than that date. It also makes it unlawful for any minister to stop the UK leaving on Jan 31 or extending the implementation period to after Dec 31 2020. MPs will also not be given a veto over an extension of the transition period - nor will they have to approve the future relationship treaty, despite the commitments existing in the last version of the legislation." www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/12/19/brexit-bill-has-gina-miller-proofed-says-government-formal-parliamentary/The latest news is that the bill has passed its second reading in the Commons; if I remember correctly, that means that it now progresses to the Lords. It has three readings in the Commons, a period where it is looked at, and prepared for the Lords, then three readings in the Lords. Then it is Ping-Pong, then Royal Assent. Or something very much like that. Certainly three readings either House. I had not known about the Ministers not being able to go and interfere with Brexit Day, though it makes sense. In addition, there is a committee that will be looking at things like Transition Period extensions, and by UK law, we can only send Ministers to sit on it - no civil servants. This is important, because Parliament can bind the hands of the Ministers, but not the civil servants. And it can do that because of the Benn Surender Act - which did just that to Boris. So he is using it now, to make sure things keep on track, and there is a clear deadline.
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Post by Avacyn on Dec 21, 2019 23:02:16 GMT
Number crunchingUnseenI , I was pondering whether there was any significance to the leaving the EU date of 31 January; 3 1.1.2020 3+1+1+2+0+2+0 = 9 Also, if you add things up a little differently... 3+1=4 1=1 2+2=4 so... 4-1-4. Like a mirror reflecting... Before, it was Halloween: 3+1+1+0+2+0+1+9=17 1+7=8. Which might be their way of making this go on into infinity? Just a speculation here.
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Post by Avacyn on Dec 21, 2019 23:03:37 GMT
Number crunching part 2...and of course, we leave the EU at 11pm. Because it is Midnight on the Continent. Remember, we are on a different time zone to the rest of Europe...
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Post by Avacyn on Dec 21, 2019 23:06:10 GMT
The President of the Supreme Court, Lady Hale, is retiring next month. There was some criticism of her ruling and rumblings of possible bias. Lord Carnwath and Lord Wilson will also reach the statutory retirement age in March 2020 in May 2020. The Lord Chancellor has the final say in who is appointed to the posts. www.supremecourt.uk/news/judicial-vacancies.htmlExpect The Supreme Court (A Blair concoction,) to be abolished. It is not going to stay as it is, in any rate.
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Post by magpiejack on Dec 22, 2019 8:28:28 GMT
Number crunching part 2...and of course, we leave the EU at 11pm. Because it is Midnight on the Continent. Remember, we are on a different time zone to the rest of Europe... There are three time zones across the EU - Cyprus and some eastern European countries are 2 hours ahead of the UK. Do you mean that the leaving time has to correspond with midnight in Brussels then? I suppose that if it were midnight our time, that's the next day in Brussels.
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Post by magpiejack on Dec 22, 2019 8:29:47 GMT
The President of the Supreme Court, Lady Hale, is retiring next month. There was some criticism of her ruling and rumblings of possible bias. Lord Carnwath and Lord Wilson will also reach the statutory retirement age in March 2020 in May 2020. The Lord Chancellor has the final say in who is appointed to the posts. www.supremecourt.uk/news/judicial-vacancies.htmlExpect The Supreme Court (A Blair concoction,) to be abolished. It is not going to stay as it is, in any rate. That would be a good thing, I have read a lot of criticism of it.
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 22, 2019 8:41:23 GMT
I am going to have to digest all this later!
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