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Post by UnseenI on May 24, 2019 7:25:45 GMT
Prince Harry has been a ventriloquist’s dummy
He is reported to have done a good job: “Prince Harry got up on stage and performed a ventriloquist act on the Queen ’s 90th birthday, it has been revealed. The 31-year-old prince was the “dummy” for ventriloquist Nina Conti who provided after-dinner entertainment for guests at the Windsor Castle bash. A black tie dinner for around 70 close family and friends was hosted by Prince Charles in the Waterloo Chamber of the castle - with Prince Harry as the surprise entertainment. A source told Hello! magazine: ‘It was genuinely brilliant. He must have been practising it, because he had to do the actions in time with her speaking. It was intensely funny, because he was so good.’ The prince has performed with Nina in the same way once before on his 30th birthday dinner at Clarence House in September 2014.” www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-harry-played-ventriloquist-dummy-7831603I didn’t know about this when I suggested that Archie Andrews could take over as the Sussexes’ child. So is it a case of like father, like son? I wonder whether the Queen enjoyed the performance. I wonder how Prince Harry dressed to play the dummy.
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Post by UnseenI on May 25, 2019 18:12:48 GMT
Queen Victoria painted lederhosen Lavendel you were worried about bringing in too many German references. There are many connections with the royals, Cornwall etc. so I don’t think there is a problem. Lederhosen have replaced bananas on the Sussex thread it seems. I found an unexpected reference in an article about Queen Victoria’s six eldest children performing a comedy Der Hahnenschlag in 1852. She painted a picture of them in national costume. “The characters are all dressed in traditional Bavarian Tracht costume, the girls in full skirts trimmed with ribbon and the boys in Lederhosen and Hosenträger (braces). Queen Victoria took a particular interest in ethnography and national costumes – when travelling she regularly sketched peasants in traditional dress, and she also insisted on Highland costumes for her staff at Balmoral.“ www.rct.uk/collection/816779/the-royal-children-dressed-as-tyrolean-peasantsQueen Victoria’s painting:
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Post by Lavendel on May 25, 2019 21:01:02 GMT
UnseenI very interesting. dressed like bavaria farmers. That was the time of empress Sisi; she loved this kind of dress.
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Post by UnseenI on May 26, 2019 7:46:23 GMT
UnseenI very interesting. dressed like bavaria farmers. That was the time of empress Sisi; she loved this kind of dress. I have too many leads at the moment, so I will just say that Bavarian dress shows that the Germans have a great sense of humour! And all the more when they do those dances... Queen Victoria loved German things.
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Post by magpiejack on May 26, 2019 9:34:57 GMT
Queen Victoria loved German things. She was of course the last monarch of the house of Hanover so I guess that there was still a strong German link there, especially with her marrying a German. Most people think that she was a Saxe-Coburg Gotha, but the royal house they belong to is determined by birth, so the first Saxe-Coburg Gotha monarch was Edward VII. I would imagine that the strong links to Germany remain with the royals today.
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Post by UnseenI on May 26, 2019 19:21:08 GMT
Edward VII is said to have spoken with a slight German accent.
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Post by UnseenI on May 27, 2019 8:18:50 GMT
“That was the time of empress Sisi; she loved this kind of dress.”
Sisi visited England at the invitation of the then Earl Spencer, direct ancestor of Princess Diana. He had a red beard, so was known as ‘Rufus’ and ‘The Red Earl’.
She died from a dagger in the heart - a familiar element on here.
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Post by magpiejack on May 27, 2019 17:50:45 GMT
Edward VII is said to have spoken with a slight German accent. Really? After the documentary I saw a couple of years ago, I would have thought it would have been a French accent with all the time he spent in Parisian brothels. I'll have a look around, I can't remember its exact title.
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Post by UnseenI on May 27, 2019 18:56:03 GMT
Very funny! I suppose that 'Bertie' got his accent from his father in his formative years.
I also remember reading that the Prince Regent unkindly mocked his parents' German accents.
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Post by UnseenI on May 28, 2019 7:34:13 GMT
magpiejack I get the feeling that you are not much of a fan of Edward VII. Reading about his eating habits - his nickname was ‘Tum-tum’ -and his hedonistic lifestyle put me off him, despite the ‘entente cordiale’ bit For me, Henry VII and Prince Albert are the last men standing.
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Post by magpiejack on May 28, 2019 19:56:39 GMT
magpiejack I get the feeling that you are not much of a fan of Edward VII. Reading about his eating habits - his nickname was ‘Tum-tum’ -and his hedonistic lifestyle put me off him, despite the ‘entente cordiale’ bit For me, Henry VII and Prince Albert are the last men standing. Please don't get me wrong, I have no views on him either way! He certainly liked his chips, as the saying goes. That was mentioned in the documentary that I saw (still haven't tracked it down) and that he become hideously fat. I have no prejudices about people's consensual sexual tastes as long as it doesn't involve children or animals, and the high class brothels in Belle Epoque Paris were the favourite haunts of many wealthy men. However, the thought of those poor girls with that fatty - eeewww...
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Post by UnseenI on May 29, 2019 7:54:28 GMT
Edward VII
I feel sorry for his horses, having to carry this enormous glutton!
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Post by magpiejack on May 29, 2019 11:10:37 GMT
Edward VII
I feel sorry for his horses, having to carry this enormous glutton! The ears say everything - horses always put their ears back when they're not happy. Poor creature. I've found the documentary title - Edward VII, Prince of Pleasure. It was shown on the BBC but not currently available on iPlayer.
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Post by UnseenI on May 29, 2019 18:25:27 GMT
Queen Elizabeth I, Sisi and Titania
If Queen Elizabeth I of England had been around to witness the miserable life of Empress Elisabeth of Austria, known as Sisi, she would probably have been grateful for her single state.
She had the highest status in the land in her own right
She also had the best residences, jewels, clothes etc. and received many presents. She had many surrogate husbands in the form of her ministers and advisers. She enjoyed playing politics. Independence was probably her best option.
Sisi had a very domineering mother-in-law and hated royal life. Elizabeth I may have failed to produce a Tudor heir, but having children is no guarantee of anything: one of Sisi’s daughters died young and her only son killed himself.
Their lives and personalities may have been very different, but although they lived centuries apart they had something in common.
Queen Elizabeth I is said to have inspired the character Titania, Queen of the Fairies in Shakespeare’s Midsummer Night’s Dream.
Sisi wrote poetry in which she referred to herself as Titania, someone she identified with. She referred to her favourite residence Hermesvilla as her ‘palace of dreams’ and ‘Titania’s magic castle’.
What a strange coincidence!
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Post by magpiejack on May 29, 2019 19:29:47 GMT
Queen Elizabeth I and Sisi Oh yes, what a tragic story. I remember reading about her when I went to Vienna. Her son died in the Mayerling incident, which was described as a murder-suicide of him and his mistress, though some throw doubt as it may have been an assassination but of course there were no known witnesses.
Another Elizabeth/Sisi connection - they were both avid horsewomen. Sisi was obsessed with keeping her trim figure through exercise and would ride for hours, and Elizabeth adored hunting and would ride with the hunt for hours. It seems also that they shared a vanity regarding their looks.
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Post by UnseenI on May 30, 2019 7:51:24 GMT
Sisi and Ludwig II of Bavaria
I had vaguely heard of the Mayerling Incident, but did not know about the connection to the Empress Sisi. Way back, truthseeker noticed a connection between Richard III and the two little princes and Ludwig II, his brother Otto and their uncle Luitpold who became regent in Bavaria. Richard III is associated with horses too! Sisi was Ludwig II’s cousin, and they were great friends. If only they could have married, history would be very different. Ludwig became engaged to Sisi’s sister. He cancelled the wedding at the last minute. Soulmates Sisi and Ludwig II:
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Post by UnseenI on May 30, 2019 7:52:53 GMT
Queen Elizabeth I and Titania again truthseeker I don’t think that Elizabeth I was really a man nor do I believe that her father was anyone other than Henry VIII, however your post has generated some good leads. I don’t think that her make-up and clothes were designed to hide masculine features. People wore white paint on their faces to conceal pockmarks, Elizabeth did sometimes wear low-cut bodices, and she was known for her small white beautiful hands. Here she is portrayed as Titania the Fairy Queen, with beautiful transparent ruffs like wings:
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Post by magpiejack on May 30, 2019 19:38:49 GMT
Sisi's strange death
I found the account of Sisi's murder in Geneva very strange, and there is another Elizabeth connection too. The following is from Wikipedia.
At 1:35 p.m. on Saturday 10 September 1898, Elisabeth and Countess Irma Sztáray de Sztára et Nagymihály, her lady-in-waiting, left the hotel on the shore of Lake Geneva on foot to catch the steamship Genève for Montreux. They were walking along the promenade when the 25-year-old Italian anarchist Luigi Lucheni approached them, attempting to peer underneath the empress's parasol. According to Sztáray, as the ship's bell announced the departure, Lucheni seemed to stumble and made a movement with his hand as if he wanted to maintain his balance. In reality, he had stabbed Elisabeth with a sharpened needle file that was 4 inches long that he had inserted into a wooden handle.
After Lucheni struck her, the Empress collapsed. A coach driver helped her to her feet and alerted the Austrian concierge of the Beau-Rivage, a man named Planner, who had been watching the empress's progress toward the Genève. The two women walked roughly 100 yards to the gangway and boarded, at which point Sztáray relaxed her hold on Elisabeth's arm. The empress then lost consciousness and collapsed next to her. Sztáray called for a doctor, but only a former nurse, a fellow passenger, was available.
Three men carried Elisabeth to the top deck and laid her on a bench. Sztáray opened her gown, cut Elisabeth's corset laces so she could breathe. Elisabeth revived somewhat and Sztáray asked her if she was in pain, and she replied, "No". She then asked, "What has happened?" and lost consciousness again.
Countess Sztáray noticed a small brown stain above the empress's left breast. Alarmed that Elisabeth had not recovered consciousness, she informed the captain of her identity, and the boat turned back to Geneva. Elisabeth was carried back to the Hotel Beau-Rivage by six sailors on a stretcher improvised from a sail, cushions and two oars. Fanny Mayer, the wife of the hotel director, a visiting nurse, and the countess undressed Elisabeth and removed her shoes, when Sztáray noticed a few small drops of blood and a small wound. When they then removed her from the stretcher to the bed she was clearly dead. She was pronounced dead at 2:10 p.m.
So... for a good part of 45 minutes she was walking or close to collapse with no inkling that she had been fatally wounded. I have read before though that the mind and body can shut out severe pain in order to keep going. However - with all the suffering she had in her life, maybe she was happy to surrender to death?
The Elizabeth connection? In Alison Weir's biography, she described how Elizabeth had been on her death bed for a couple of days, and then she suddenly got up and started to move around the room, muttering things as she went on her last perambulation.
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Post by UnseenI on May 31, 2019 8:58:10 GMT
Two royal deaths
I suspect that both Elizabeth I and Sisi had had enough of their lives. They had lost the will to live. Elizabeth’s favourite the Earl of Essex had been executed two years earlier, and Sisi never recovered from the death of her son. “So... for a good part of 45 minutes she was walking or close to collapse with no inkling that she had been fatally wounded” As for not realising that she had been stabbed, it sounds unlikely if not unbelievable but I have heard of several other cases. Here is just one example: “He added: ‘I don't know why I didn't even know my chest had been stabbed, I used to hear people say they didn't know they'd been stabbed and think 'you must have', but it was less painful at the time than someone punching me.’” www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/victim-not-realise-been-stabbed-821590
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Post by UnseenI on May 31, 2019 8:59:18 GMT
Sherlock Holmes and the Mayerling mystery
This case has still not been closed. Was it two murders or a murder-suicide? Maybe it would take Sherlock Holmes to solve this mystery. Gerhard Tötschinger was an Austrian actor, director, and writer. He wrote some Sherlock Holmes pastiche novels, including one about the Mayerling Incident. It has been translated into English:
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 1, 2019 6:56:03 GMT
A portrait of Elizabeth I around the age of 62
“It seems also that they shared a vanity regarding their looks.” Very true magpiejack. Elisabeth of Austria refused to sit for portraits after she reached the age of 30. She didn’t want people to see her fading beauty. There was a different solution for Queen Elizabeth I: painters flattered her and she was portrayed as young and beautiful throughout her life. A recently authenticated non typical portrait shows the real Queen Elizabeth: “Elizabeth I … got a law made in England prohibiting the circulation of unflattering portraits of her. Elizabeth's portraits are notoriously fictitious in always showing her as a pearly-skinned icon of Renaissance beauty even when she was old. This is what makes a newly revealed portrait of her from the workshop of Marcus Gheeraerts so remarkable. The portrait shows an unmistakably ageing Elizabeth, her wrinkles unconcealed by makeup, with heavy, dark lines under her eyes.” www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/jonathanjonesblog/2013/feb/13/elizabeth-first-portrait-face-age-unhappiness“ A picture of misery … portrait of Elizabeth I, c. 1595. Photograph: Courtesy Of Elizabethan Gardens”
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 1, 2019 6:57:47 GMT
Fairy Queen Titania was played as Elizabeth I
Dame Judi Dench first played the part of Titania in A Midsummer’s Night’s Dream in 1968. She returned to the role in 2010. In this production, there is a play within a play: “The idea is that Dench is Elizabeth I, who evidently fancies moonlighting as the Queen of the Fairies in addition to her capacity as Queen of England. In a short, wordless prequel, she sweeps into a room where the Elizabethan actors are preparing, snatches up a part-script and signals that the performance proper may begin.” news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts_and_culture/8518193.stm
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Post by magpiejack on Jun 1, 2019 11:40:04 GMT
More on Ludwig II of BavariaHe is another one who had a strange death. It's very long and convoluted and there's a lot of background, but in a nutshell it was officially a suicide by drowning but Ludwig's personal fisherman, Jakob Lidl, left notes found after his death that stated that he had witnessed the murder of Ludwig by shooting. More about this here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_II_of_BavariaThere were attempts to depose Ludwig due to his massive overspending on his pet projects and allegations of insanity. Maybe Sisi would not have been happily married to him - his personal notes are said to indicate a fondness for men, which if true would explain why he never married and had no known mistresses. She was clearly very fond of him though and there is a lovely quote from her after his death: "The King was not mad; he was just an eccentric living in a world of dreams. They might have treated him more gently, and thus perhaps spared him so terrible an end." That's the tragedy; dreamers rarely make good kings.
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 1, 2019 18:24:11 GMT
“That's the tragedy; dreamers rarely make good kings.”
They don’t make good empresses either!
We did look at Ludwig II a while back, but as an individual. His death seems more sinister when considered again along with the deaths of Sisi and Rudolf. I wonder whether Rudolf inherited some on the Wittelsbach instability from his mother.
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Post by magpiejack on Jun 1, 2019 20:18:10 GMT
Good grief, I've just gone back and read those posts about Ludwig and his brother and the Princes in the Tower. What startling similarities - in the official stories, that is!
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 2, 2019 7:18:35 GMT
Good grief, I've just gone back and read those posts about Ludwig and his brother and the Princes in the Tower. What startling similarities - in the official stories, that is! You are right. There are some big coincidences and correspondences in these cases. All this jumping around from person to person, place to place and century to century is a bit confusing! I had better let it all settle and concentrate on the present day and the imminent events for now. Queen Elizabeth I and Ludwig II and all the other long-gone royals can wait for now. It is all ancient history. We have history in the making to attend to!
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Post by magpiejack on Jun 2, 2019 17:37:36 GMT
Queen Elizabeth I and Ludwig II and all the other long-gone royals can wait for now. It is all ancient history. We have history in the making to attend to! I absolutely agree, there are certainly interesting events on the horizon. This has been a really interesting trip for me though, but let's take a closer look at the present!
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 4, 2019 7:09:28 GMT
The religious retreat of Richard III
William Shakespeare’s Richard III will do anything to get his hands on the crown of England. He cultivates a public image that is very different from the reality. At one point he pretends that he is not interested in power; he says that he is pious and just wants to be left alone so he can study his holy books. There is a very amusing scene in Sir Laurence Olivier’s film where a rent-a-crowd is orchestrated into demanding his appearance. He comes out reading a holy book and accompanied by two priests. They didn’t have the expression ‘virtue signalling’ in those days, but that is what he is doing! He wants to manipulate the people of London into thinking that he is a good man; he wants them to beg him to abandon his solitude and force him to take the crown. The Lord Mayor of London says, “See, where he stands between two clergymen!” I couldn’t find any images of this scene, but in 1878 it inspired a political cartoon of Benjamin Disraeli wearing 15th century clothes. The picture has the above expression in the caption. I wonder whether there is any relevance to the present time. Maybe the ‘on maternity leave’ Duchess of Sussex wants people to beg her to return to public life!
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 6, 2019 19:08:19 GMT
Richard III’s coronation feast
George IV, Queen Victoria and Edward VII would not have thought much of the recent State Banquet. It was held in sumptuous surroundings, there was a fabulous dinner service with beautiful tableware and decorations but there were only four courses. This is not nearly enough for a gluttonous monarch. Richard III too might have been disappointed, considering what his coronation banquet in Westminster Hall in July 1483 was like. Details of the menu are available. The ‘lords and ladyes’ got a huge selection of food and the ‘commons’, poor people invited by tradition, a very limited one. There are only six items in their section of the menu, but they still got more than the guests did on Monday. The menu will be of interest to domestic historians. I can’t identify many of the items; others are familiar, but the spelling is mostly antiquated. I have no idea what ‘Nosewis in compost’, ‘Roo reversed in purpill’ and ‘Grett luce in eger doulce’ are. ‘Freshe sturgeon with fennel’, ‘Oranges bake’, ‘Bief and Moton’, ‘Rabettes rost’ and ‘Custard’ are recognisable dishes. All this gives a new interpretation of the rhyme about Richard III in which he is called a hog! More information can be found here: murreyandblue.wordpress.com/2017/07/06/the-coronation-feast-of-king-richard-lll/
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