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Post by UnseenI on Jun 7, 2019 8:38:24 GMT
Titania and Bavaria connection
The town of Neusäß is in Augsburg in Bavaria. Titania Hot Springs or Titania-Therme is one of its attractions. They have wooden ships there:
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Post by magpiejack on Jun 7, 2019 16:58:23 GMT
Richard III’s coronation feast I have no idea what ‘Nosewis in compost’, ‘Roo reversed in purpill’ and ‘Grett luce in eger doulce’ are. I was intrigued, they sound pretty disgusting but I couldn't resist digging further! I did recognise some of the words from French. ‘Nosewis in compost’ - nuts in a stew (or compôte) of fruits or vegetables in wine and sugar. ‘Roo reversed in purpill’ - Roe turned inside out to reveal the purple innards (now that is disgusting!) ‘Grett luce in eger doulce’ - A large pike in a sweet and sour sauce. Give me pie and chips any day!
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 7, 2019 18:12:30 GMT
I would settle for fish & chips or egg, beans and chips with brown sauce!
I pity the Plantagenets for not having potatoes.
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 9, 2019 8:09:51 GMT
Richard III and the strawberries
I think that while Richard III would not have thought much of the recent State Banquet as his Coronation Feast had many more dishes, he would have approved of the strawberry & biscuit pudding. He is reported as being partial to strawberries. In Shakespeare’s Richard III, Richard (Gloucester) uses strawberries as a pretext to get the Bishop of Ely out of the way so that he can speak freely: GLOUCESTER: My lord of Ely!BISHOP OF ELY: My lord?GLOUCESTER: When I was last in Holborn, I saw good strawberries in your garden there I do beseech you send for some of them.
BISHOP OF ELY: Marry, and will, my lord, with all my heart.Exit GLOUCESTER: Cousin of Buckingham, a word with you.
Drawing him aside… From A Comic History of England (1847): “The Bishop of Ely presenting a pottle of strawberries to Gloucester” Pottle? An archaic word meaning a small conical punnet for strawberries or other fruit.
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 10, 2019 6:38:37 GMT
Queen Elizabeth I and Gloriana
In addition to being called Titania, Queen Elizabeth I was also known as Gloriana. This name too is associated with a Fairy Queen: Gloriana is the name of the main character in Edmund Spenser’s poem The Faerie Queene (1590). I think that the sobriquet Gloriana suits Elizabeth I better than Titania does. Gloriana is the title of one of the stories in Rudyard Kipling’s Reward and Fairies. Queen Elizabeth I is the main character. She tells a story to two children that shows the painful decisions that a ruler has to take. The story is followed by a moving poem called The Looking Glass, in which the ageing Queen Elizabeth is haunted by the spirits of Mary Queen of Scots and the Earl of Leicester and can’t bring herself to look in the mirror for fear of what she might see. This is the first verse: The Queen was in her chamber, and she was middling old, Her petticoat was satin and her stomacher was gold. Backwards and forwards and sideways did she pass, Making up her mind to face the cruel looking-glass. The cruel looking-glass that will never show a lass As comely or as kindly or as young as once she was!The final verse shows her courage: The Queen was in her chamber; her sins were on her head; She looked the spirits up and down and statelily she said: ‘Backwards and forwards and sideways though I’ve been, Yet I am Harry’s daughter and I am England’s Queen!’ And she faced the looking-glass (and whatever else there was), And she saw her day was over and she saw her beauty pass In the cruel looking-glass that can always hurt a lass More hard than any ghost there is or any man there was!
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 10, 2019 18:40:04 GMT
Queen Elizabeth II and Gloriana
Gloriana is a 90-foot-long (27 m) British royal rowing barge. She was privately commissioned as a tribute to Queen Elizabeth II for her 2012 Diamond Jubilee, and was the lead vessel in the Thames Diamond Jubilee Pageant. During the pageant Gloriana carried eight flags, those of the four home nations: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, as well as the flag of the City of London and the flag of Cornwall plus the flag of the Royal House of Stewart and the flag of Tudor King Henry VIII.
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Post by magpiejack on Jun 10, 2019 19:10:55 GMT
The opera Gloriana
Benjamin Britten composed the opera Gloriana, first performed in 1953 during the coronation celebrations. The plot concerned the relationship between Elizabeth I and the Earl of Essex, but it was not critically well received.
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 11, 2019 8:16:58 GMT
The opera Gloriana and the New Elizabethans
There was a talk in the early years of Elizabeth II’s reign of a second Golden Age - Gloriana and the New Elizabethans and all that.
I am not wild about Britten’s work. His opera Gloriana was first performed as part of the coronation celebrations in 1953. As you say, it was not much of a success. Here they all are at the premiere:
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 13, 2019 7:03:36 GMT
Sherlock Holmes and some strawberries
There is a Sherlock Holmes connection with just about every topic on here! Strawberries are no exception. We have a tribute book and a Hidden Object game that the description says also includes bananas!
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 14, 2019 7:55:48 GMT
Greenwich Palace
I had a day out in the Royal Borough of Greenwich recently. The markets, the Cutty Sark sailing ship and the wonderful views of the river Thames are just a few of the area’s attractions. This visit reminded me that this district in south east London has many royal associations. Richard III lived with his siblings in the old Greenwich Palace, sometimes known as the Palace of Placentia or pleasure palace, before he became king. The Palace was particularly popular with the Tudors. Henry VII spent a lot of money renovating it. Henry VIII and his daughters Mary and Elizabeth were born there. It was in the old Palace’s grounds that Sit Walter Raleigh is said to have thrown his cloak over a puddle so that Queen Elizabeth would not get her feet wet. There is a tree with a hollowed trunk in Greenwich Park where Queen Elizabeth ‘oft partook of refreshements’ . Greenwich Palace was where Henry VIII signed the death warrant for Anne Boleyn, and Elizabeth I signed the one for Mary Queen of Scots. Greenwich Palace no longer exists. It fell into disrepair and Charles II had it demolished to make way for a new palace. An 18th century depiction of the old Greenwich Palace and a site marker:
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Post by magpiejack on Jun 14, 2019 14:55:27 GMT
More significance of Greenwich
It's also the location of the prime meridian - 0% longitude. It is also the zero of time bands, Greenwich Mean Time which is now usually referred to (outside Britain at least) as UTC. So it has strong associations with distance and time.
Once the old palace was demolished it became a hospital for seamen, then the Royal Naval College and Royal Observatory. I think it's interesting that the site was the birthplace of three of English history's best-known monarchs, and then had naval and astronomical associations at a time when significant advances were being made in these areas in Britain in the 17th to the 19th centuries.
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 15, 2019 7:26:03 GMT
Sherlock Holmes and Royal Greenwich
Sherlock Holmes gets into everything. Greenwich is one of the locations where the Sherlock Holmes films starring Robert Downey were filmed. From an article about Game of Shadows: “Multi-purpose location, the Old Royal Naval College, King William Walk, London SE10, crops up a few times, first providing the busy streetmarkets of Victorian London through which Holmes tails Irene Adler (Rachel McAdams), just as it had done for the previous Sherlock Holmes. It’s a double-cross of course and Holmes finds himself confronting her four minders. The fight, too, is staged in Greenwich, but in the covered walkway alongside the Queen’s House, overlooking the Old Royal Naval College. A one-time royal palace occupied by the dowager Queen Henrietta Maria, wife of Charles I, the house was extensively restored in the 1990s.” www.movie-locations.com/movies/s/Sherlock-Holmes-Game-Of-Shadows.phpThe Old Royal Naval College was built on the site of the above mentioned Greenwich Palace/Palace of Placentia. The Royal Naval College and the Queen’s House:
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 15, 2019 7:31:46 GMT
Historical associations of Greenwich
"So it has strong associations with distance and time."
I wonder whether there are any ley lines running through Greenwich.
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 16, 2019 7:37:02 GMT
Napoleon and the ghost of Elizabeth I
The ghost of Elizabeth I was invoked to defend England against Napoleon when he was planning an invasion, rather like an early version of Britannia. I like these old cartoons very much. “Political satire: a ghost of Elizabeth I appears before a terrified Napoleon with a picture of the defeat of the Spanish Armada, saying "Monster! - look at that and tremble!!!". 20 July 1803”
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 16, 2019 7:38:34 GMT
Napoleon’s planned invasion of England
Eurotunnel has been mentioned recently. The idea of a tunnel under the channel is not new. Napoleon toyed with the idea; he envisaged having an artificial island half way across to give the horses a rest! He is reported to have seriously considered using a fleet of troop-carrying balloons for the invasion too. A cartoon of the time shows both the balloons and the tunnel under the Channel. He is invading us by air, sea and land:
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 17, 2019 8:03:48 GMT
Some remains of Greenwich Palace have been found
There is a bee connection here: “Beneath the Painted Hall of the Old Royal Naval College in Greenwich, the birthplace of Henry VIII, Mary I and Elizabeth I has been found: Greenwich Palace. Evidence of the former royal residence was discovered as conservation work began on the Painted Hall at the college… Two rooms of the Tudor palace were discovered, thought to be from the service area of the palace. One of the rooms would have been underground, and its unusual niches are believed to be ‘bee boles’ for the keeping of skeps (hive baskets) during the winter months, as the bee colonies hibernate, and for keeping food and drink cool in the summer months when the hives were outside... the Old Royal Naval College is able and willing to incorporate this into the new visitor centre, so everyone can see a small part of the palace, for the first time in hundreds of years.” www.thecrownchronicles.co.uk/history/remains-greenwich-palace-found-underneath-old-royal-naval-college/
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Post by magpiejack on Jun 17, 2019 17:29:00 GMT
Napoleon’s planned invasion of England
Eurotunnel has been mentioned recently. The idea of a tunnel under the channel is not new. Napoleon toyed with the idea; he envisaged having an artificial island half way across to give the horses a rest! He is reported to have seriously considered using a fleet of troop-carrying balloons for the invasion too. A cartoon of the time shows both the balloons and the tunnel under the Channel. He is invading us by air, sea and land: I love this cartoon, I've seen it before. Highly ingenious, but there was a slight flaw to the plan though... had he thought how to create the tunnel opening on the English side undetected, and wouldn't it be easily and heavily defended? Napoleon was supposed to be a military genius! As I've said, Eurotunnel makes me nervous and that's built with 20th century technology - you wouldn't get me in one under the Channel constructed in the 18th/19th century! Just think of the knowledge they were lacking; precise depths, sea bed geological reports - it's a good thing it was never built back then. One thing that I read about Eurotunnel is that it can be flooded in the event of national emergency. It's not stated whether they will get all the trains out first!
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 17, 2019 18:56:49 GMT
The cartoons in those days were brilliant.
Perhaps Napoleon planned to have some of his soldiers arrive by sea and air first. They would distract the locals while the other lot emerged stealthily from the tunnel!
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 18, 2019 8:31:09 GMT
Napoleon’s intended invasion of Britain
There are many associated leads and topics of interest here. The possibility of an invasion was taken very seriously at the time; it was also featured in many cartoons. I think it may have helped to unify the country and make the royals more popular and relevant. I have seen some of the Martello towers, round mini-forts, that were constructed along the coastlines of Sussex and Kent at the time to help defend our shores:
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 19, 2019 6:35:05 GMT
John Bull deals with Napoleon
Britannia was not the only personification of Britain to be invoked as a defence. Napoleon will invade Britain over John Bull’s dead body!
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Post by UnseenI on Jul 12, 2019 8:17:10 GMT
Queen Elizabeth I, the Earl of Leicester and Amy Robsart magpiejack you were right. The Prince Charles, Camilla and Diana case reminded me of the unsolved historical case involving Elizabeth, the Earl of Leicester Robert Dudley and his wife Amy, who died mysteriously at the age of 28. She was found dead at the foot of some stairs. It could have been an accident, it could have been suicide or it could have been murder. There is plenty of information online, so I will just say that Elizabeth was very fond of Robert Dudley and might even have considered marrying him if his ailing wife had died of natural causes. Some people believed that Elizabeth remained single for his sake. The manner of Amy’s death precluded any marriage. Although it was officially attributed to an accident, there were rumours of murder. If they had married, it would look as though Elizabeth and Leicester had conspired to get Amy out of the way. Elizabeth couldn’t risk it. Just as with the cases of the two little princes in the Tower and Ludwig II of Bavaria, people have been speculating and analysing the evidence for centuries without solving the mystery. A Victorian depiction of the tragedy:
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Post by truthseeker on Jul 12, 2019 8:56:49 GMT
Queen Elizabeth I, the Earl of Leicester and Amy Robsart magpiejack you were right. The Prince Charles, Camilla and Diana case reminded me of the unsolved historical case involving Elizabeth, the Earl of Leicester Robert Dudley and his wife Amy, who died mysteriously at the age of 28. She was found dead at the foot of some stairs. It could have been an accident, it could have been suicide or it could have been murder. There is plenty of information online, so I will just say that Elizabeth was very fond of Robert Dudley and might even have considered marrying him if his ailing wife had died of natural causes. Some people believed that Elizabeth remained single for his sake. The manner of Amy’s death precluded any marriage. Although it was officially attributed to an accident, there were rumours of murder. If they had married, it would look as though Elizabeth and Leicester had conspired to get Amy out of the way. Elizabeth couldn’t risk it. Just as with the cases of the two little princes in the Tower and Ludwig II of Bavaria, people have been speculating and analysing the evidence for centuries without solving the mystery. A Victorian depiction of the tragedy: It's always anoying when one wants to solve a mystery and it just is impossible. It happens so often. I often want to know more about certain cases and I have to accept that I will never fully know the truth.
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Post by magpiejack on Jul 12, 2019 19:46:47 GMT
Queen Elizabeth I, the Earl of Leicester and Amy Robsart magpiejack you were right. The Prince Charles, Camilla and Diana case reminded me of the unsolved historical case involving Elizabeth, the Earl of Leicester Robert Dudley and his wife Amy, who died mysteriously at the age of 28. She was found dead at the foot of some stairs. It could have been an accident, it could have been suicide or it could have been murder. There is plenty of information online, so I will just say that Elizabeth was very fond of Robert Dudley and might even have considered marrying him if his ailing wife had died of natural causes. Some people believed that Elizabeth remained single for his sake. The manner of Amy’s death precluded any marriage. Although it was officially attributed to an accident, there were rumours of murder. If they had married, it would look as though Elizabeth and Leicester had conspired to get Amy out of the way. Elizabeth couldn’t risk it. Just as with the cases of the two little princes in the Tower and Ludwig II of Bavaria, people have been speculating and analysing the evidence for centuries without solving the mystery. A Victorian depiction of the tragedy: I thought as much, UnseenI! We will never know the truth of this, I read once that it was also rumoured that Amy was dying, possibly from cancer so she may have been quite ill, causing her to fall. She might even have committed suicide by throwing herself down the stairs as she was so unhappy - she did insist that the servants went out that afternoon. Or an accident... or murder... Elizabeth was certainly astute and geared towards survival after her precarious existence when Mary was queen. There were many at court who were jealous of Dudley's status as favourite, and it's not surprising that rumours spread of murder in order to damage his reputation. One thing to consider is that had she married Dudley, she would not have been able to play politics with marriage proposals as a way to play potentially hostile states against each other, as she did so astutely. It's quite possible that the Catholic states may have formed an alliance to invade, had she married him.
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Post by UnseenI on Jul 13, 2019 7:23:15 GMT
“We will never know the truth of this...” What I wouldn’t give for a time machine and a cloak of invisibility! I could go and see for myself what actually happened. I would share them: I get Richard III and the two princes, but Avacyn could do Jack the Ripper, you could do Amy Robsart and Princess Diana and Lavendel or truthseeker could do Ludwig II.
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Post by UnseenI on Jul 13, 2019 7:25:13 GMT
Rudyard Kipling and Gloriana again
Rudyard Kipling collaborated with C. R. L. Fletcher on A School History of England (1911). This is what they said about Elizabeth I: “ She was a woman of the most strangely varied character; extraordinarily stingy and mean, extraordinarily brave and fierce (not cruel); passionately fond of her country, and English to the backbone; so jealous that she could not bear her courtiers to look at another woman; so vain of her beauty that even in old age she covered herself with gorgeous dresses and ridiculous jewels; by turns a scold, a flirt, a cheat and a heroine. But, somehow or other, she made her people follow, obey and worship her, till at last she became a sort of crowned spirit and guardian angel of the whole nation, which felt that it had grown to full manhood and power under her protecting care. Men called her ‘Gloriana’". www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/rg_gloriana1.htmThis is not a bad epitaph for Elizabeth I. The coronation portrait:
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Post by magpiejack on Jul 13, 2019 16:37:35 GMT
“We will never know the truth of this...” What I wouldn’t give for a time machine and a cloak of invisibility! I could go and see for myself what actually happened. I would share them: I get Richard III and the two princes, but Avacyn could do Jack the Ripper, you could do Amy Robsart and Princess Diana and Lavendel or truthseeker could do Ludwig II. I'd be up for that! I'd also fancy post-Roman Britain to find out if King Arthur is based on two different Welsh kings, as Wilson and Blackett reckon is a commonly found fact in Welsh records, and whether there was a comet that devastated Britain in about 562 AD.
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Post by UnseenI on Jul 15, 2019 7:10:43 GMT
Henry VII’s lost chapel at Greenwich Palace
The chapel from the old Greenwich Palace was found in 2006: “Beneath four feet of heavy south London clay, archaeologists have uncovered the remains of Henry VII's lost chapel at Greenwich. The site is where he and a host of his Tudor successors - Henry VIII, Mary Tudor and Elizabeth I - worshipped. The existence of the chapel, part of the Royal Palace of Placentia, a Tudor favourite but pulled down in the 17th century to be replaced by Greenwich Hospital - now the Old Naval College - has long been known from paintings and records... Careful scratching away by a team of four archaeologists from the Museum of London has revealed the eastern walls of the chapel, a 10ft by 5ft section of floor made from black and white glazed tiles laid geometrically, and, beneath, a so-far unexplored vault.” www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1508708/Henry-VIIs-chapel-found-at-Greenwich.htmlThe floor with the black and white square tiles, which Elizabeth I would have walked upon:
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Post by UnseenI on Jul 20, 2019 7:30:35 GMT
George III in the sea at Weymouth
I thought that it was Prinny and Brighton that made sea bathing popular, but George III played the bathing machine game at Weymouth in 1789. His vehicle is still there. I wish I had known about this when I was there. He has two horn players in the sea with him, and the bathing attendant ladies look rather rough!
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Post by magpiejack on Jul 21, 2019 11:10:33 GMT
Another near miss
There's a report today in the Mail that the Countess of Wessex had a near miss in the air. What's up with Air Traffic Control? You just can't get the staff...
"A report by the UK Airprox Board reveals that the Countess of Wessex – Prince Edward’s wife Sophie – had a similar scare after carrying out a public engagement in Worcestershire.
Her Queen’s Flight helicopter was at 4,400ft when the co-pilot saw a glider directly ahead and flying in the same direction around three miles east of Cheltenham.
The pilot of the helicopter, who was flying at 173mph, rated the risk of a collision as ‘high’ after coming as close as 500 yards to the glider.
The report said: ‘The AW109 pilot took avoiding action by turning left to ensure separation.
'He noted that had they maintained course the risk of collision would have been high.’
The report added that it was unlikely the glider pilot saw the helicopter until it passed.
An air-traffic controller at RAF Brize Norton did not warn the helicopter pilot about the presence of the glider.
The report found that the pilots of the helicopter and the glider, which has never been identified, ‘shared an equal responsibility... not to operate in such proximity to other aircraft as to create a collision hazard’.
The near-miss happened at about 3.30pm on July 5, 2017 after Sophie had watched a farming demonstration in Overbury."
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Post by UnseenI on Jul 21, 2019 17:26:37 GMT
Then there was the Duke of Edinburgh’s car accident.
Is the universe telling us something? Are these incidents warnings to the royals?
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