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Post by UnseenI on Oct 3, 2017 7:16:20 GMT
The mystery and the magic of the monarchy have gone; we no longer believe that the land and the king are one. Is it time to call it a day? After reading about what they have been getting away with for so long - and to add insult to injury at our expense - I would say it is.
The wholesome family pictures and impressive public images have been taken at face value for far too long. They have been making fools of us: much of it was just a façade. We need to pay attention to the men behind the curtain and not the larger than life figures up on the big screen.
We need to uncover and expose some false premises and false pretences. We need to ask some important questions.
Do they deserve to be respected? Are they no better than the rest of us, or even worse in some cases? Do they earn their keep?
This thread is for examples of royal attitudes and activities that they would rather we didn’t know about and for clues to the mysteries.
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 3, 2017 9:38:50 GMT
Queen Alexandra and the destruction of the letters
When a member of the royal family dies, the knives come out and the hit squads go in. People who have been holding grudges and feeling resentment take revenge. This includes royal family members and their supporters and servants. Queen Alexandra, the Sea King’s daughter from over the sea as Tennyson called her, was very popular. I always thought that she was one of the better members of the royal family. I can’t feel the same about her after learning of her behaviour immediately after the death of Queen Victoria. The DM article goes into great detail about how she bullied Abdul Karim and his family, making them hand over all the letters that Queen Victoria had written to him and then burning them: “Barely hours after Queen Victoria’s funeral at Windsor Castle in February 1901, a small group of people could be seen making their way through the dawn mist to a house in the grounds. They were Queen Alexandra, wife of King Edward VII; Princess Beatrice, Queen Victoria’s youngest daughter; and several tough-looking guards. The Royal party was heading for Frogmore Cottage, the home of Abdul Karim, the Queen’s ‘Munshi’, or teacher. They were on a mission... Queen Alexandra demanded that all the letters Victoria had written to Karim be handed over. As he pleaded with them, they tore open the drawers in his study, removing letters and correspondence. They ordered his terrified 12-year-old nephew to find more letters, piled them up outside the cottage and lit a bonfire As the ‘Dear Abdul’ letters burnt in the cold February air, the guards went back for more. Postcards and notes were seized and thrown into the blazing fire. Abdul’s distraught wife wept as the black-lined notepaper, covered with the late Queen’s handwriting, crackled in the flames. She begged them to stop. Abdul stood near the fire, fighting back his tears, watching as the flames curled around Victoria’s signature and turned it to ash. Hundreds of letters sent to Abdul by Victoria over a 13-year period – and signed variously as ‘Your dearest friend’ and ‘Your dearest mother’ – were destroyed. The former Royal servant and his family were also kicked out of their home within the grounds of Windsor Castle and unceremoniously deported...” Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4721648/The-tragic-truth-Queen-Victoria.html#ixzz4tV1IZsW8 Some of the details may be embellishments, but assuming that this episode really happened it was a very cruel thing to do. Queen Alexandra could certainly be cruel: she prevented her daughter Princess Victoria from marrying so that she could retain her as a kind of servant. She used to ring a bell to summon her. Abdul Karim died a broken man at the age of 46. 
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 3, 2017 9:45:37 GMT
Princess Margaret and the destruction of the letters
This episode was first revealed in 2009, in William Shawcross’s official biography of the Queen Mother. It was discussed in many articles, with much speculation and some embellishment. The destroyed letters belonged to the Queen Mother. Princess Margaret didn’t even wait for her to die. She collected thousands of letters in large black bin bags in 1993, some of them while her mother was away on holiday, then supervised their burning. Scores of the letters were highly personal ones from Princess Diana. The story is that they got on very well at first then Princess Margaret turned against Diana, saying that she was bringing the royal family into disrepute. What a hypocrite! It is unclear whether this was done with Queen’s knowledge and involvement, Surely Princess Margaret would never do this behind her sister’s back. And did the Queen Mother understand what was going on? We will probably never know exactly what was destroyed, and why, and who knew what. The Queen Mother was 93 in 1993, so could have died at any moment; perhaps Princess Margaret wanted to get in first. The royal ladies really get going when a relative dies. When Princess Margaret herself died, the Queen is reported to have gone round to get her jewellery. So what will happen when the Queen dies? And who will be performing the ritual confiscations and destructions? Will they wait until the actual death? Two in blue: 
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 3, 2017 9:48:52 GMT
Princess Margaret and the destroyed letters again
The good old DM has provided some details of the destruction: “Margaret went to Clarence House to see the aged Queen Mother and took away a large bag of letters. She handed them to her chauffeur of 26 years, David Griffin, and instructed him to burn them. Supervised by the Princess, who wore yellow rubber gloves, he set fire to them in a dustbin in the garage at Kensington Palace where Margaret had apartment 1A now occupied by William and Kate. ‘The smoke was so thick it made her eyes water and she had to leave,’ recalls Griffin. ‘We went back to Clarence House several times over a period after that to collect more letters and papers, and burned them all. 'I saw Diana’s name on a few, and even her crest and her handwriting, and there were lots of others addressed to the King and Queen, so they were quite old. ‘The Princess never said why she was doing it, but she was very determined that they should all be destroyed, thousands of them. I remember thinking we were putting a match to history.’ The theory among courtiers is that the Princess was destroying letters that related to both her nephew Charles’s marriage and her own tangled private life to prevent them falling into the hands of the royal archive on her mother’s death.” Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3490823/Mystery-royal-love-letters-burnt-Queen-s-sister-Princess-Margaret-chauffeur-destroy-thousands-romantic-Royal-correspondence-including-Diana.html#ixzz4tZsb6EnL Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1214029/How-Princess-Margaret-burned-Dianas-letters-Queen-Mother.html#ixzz4rogGnMK6 Yellow rubber gloves, watering eyes...these details make the story seem convincing. If I were that chauffeur, I would have rescued some of the letters when the smoke drove Princess Margaret away from the crime scene! The three royal ladies in blue:  ![]()
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 3, 2017 12:33:19 GMT
Princess Margaret’s death: was it a mercy killing?
Are there suspicious elements in this case? An article in the DM about the release of art historian Sir Roy Strong’s diaries reminded me of some thoughts I had a while back about Princess Margaret’s death. Sir Roy says that she was arrogant and capricious, and destroyed by around 50 years of smoking and drinking whisky. By 1997, she had become so inconsiderate that he couldn’t stand it any longer. He said: “It is a curious fact that if she had died in the middle of the 1960s, the response would have been akin to that on the death of Diana. As it was, she lived long enough for the bitter truth about her to become general knowledge.” www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3839947/Princess-Margaret-Arrogant-capricious-Edward-Dull-Charles-Turning-cyclops-majestically-mischievous-diaries-SIR-ROY-STRONG-takes-rapier-royal-encounters.html#ixzz4NL3ymXLe First, some facts
Princess Margaret was aged 71 when she died, reportedly in her sleep, in hospital in February 2002; her mother died a few weeks later at the age of 101; her father King George VI, a heavy smoker, had died at the age of 56. Her sister the Queen is still going strong at the age of 91. Princess Margaret experienced many health problems in later life. She had a lung operation at the age of 55. She had a stroke at the age of 64. She scalded her feet very badly when she was 68, and they never fully healed. She had two strokes in 2001, losing sight in one eye and movement on the left side of her body. She became a permanent invalid and could only move around in a wheelchair. Her quality of life was greatly diminished and her capacity for enjoyment greatly impaired. She was unable to eat and suffered permanent short-term memory loss. She needed someone to read to her; she couldn’t bear to be seen by men. She appeared to be losing the will to live. Members of the public were horrified by what they saw when Princess Margaret made a brief public appearance outside her London home in August 2001 on the occasion of the Queen Mother’s 101st birthday. She sat slumped in a wheelchair; she looked pale, frail and bloated; she appeared confused. She had often been sedated during her final weeks. She was taken to hospital with heart problems after suffering another stroke, and died after a few hours there. All this is more than enough to explain why she died when she did, why she may have wanted to die and why many people would have considered her death to be not a tragedy but a long-overdue merciful release. The Princess had lost most of her earlier popularity; many people had become disillusioned with her so would not have been too sorry to see her go. At her home in Kensington Palace, there was only a small queue to sign the books of condolence and not many flowers were left there. There may be conspiracy theories about her birth, but not about her death. The reaction was mainly relief that she was at peace; indifference and even ‘good riddance’ were also seen. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-465996/Princess-Margaret-How-lost-live.html Princess Margaret at her best and worst:  
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 3, 2017 12:37:57 GMT
More about Princess Margaret’s death
Was she cremated to hide the evidence of a mercy killing – or voluntary euthanasia? Princess Margaret’s wishes for her send-off
Her last request - we are told - was for a no-frills cremation, to be unattended by members of her family. She wanted to make her final journey alone, and with no traditional big funeral ceremonials. Princess Margaret was the first royal to be cremated in 60 years. The given reason is that she simply wanted to be with her beloved father. There is no room in the royal vault for a conventional burial, so she chose cremation in the certainty that her ashes would rest alongside George VI. A more sinister reason is that cremation destroys evidence of the cause of death. Russian investigators recently opened the tomb of Czar Alexander III, who died in 1894, for DNA tests; something similar could happen here. The royal physician gave the dying King George V two lethal injections to assure a painless death - and to hasten his departure so that the announcement would be made in the morning papers. This secret was concealed for 50 years. Could something similar have happened to Princess Margaret? Princess Margaret died in the elite King Edward VII Hospital in Marylebone in London, not far from the notorious Portland Place. This hospital has been used by various members of the royal family. It is where Kate Middleton was staying at the time of the hoax call that resulted in the death, attributed to suicide, of the nurse Jacintha Saldanha. It is where the Queen went when she needed treatment for gastroenteritis; when she left, she was escorted out by a nurse who was wearing a masonic belt buckle. No allegations, just speculation resulting from reading about Princess Margaret’s final years, seeing some patterns and joining some dots. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-100039/Margarets-request-A-280-cremation-Slough.htmlPrincess Margaret started out as a fairytale princess; it is tragic that she ended up in such a terrible state. 
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 4, 2017 17:28:58 GMT
Prince of Wales’s threat to have Queen Victoria declared insane
Queen Victoria’s retirement from public life after Prince Albert’s death made her very unpopular for a while and endangered the monarchy. She was accused of bringing the monarchy into disrepute again when she announced that she wanted to give a knighthood to her munshi, Abdul Karim. She also wanted to take him with her when she went on holiday in the South of France. This caused all hell to break loose. Victoria was thought to be in danger of undermining the monarchy itself. It would devalue all the trappings of Empire if a man of humble origins could rise to such an exalted position. Members of Queen Victoria’s household threatened to resign rather than go on holiday with the Indian servant. Petty jealousies and feuds, snobbery and hierarchies and resentment of favourites have always been part of life for members of the Royal Household. Favouritism shown by members of the royal family causes much ill feeling no matter who the recipient is, but in Abdul Karim’s case his class, nationality and religion caused extra resentment and jealousy. The more people attacked Abdul Karim, the more Queen Victoria defended him. She threatened to pull out of her Diamond Jubilee celebrations if she didn’t get what she wanted. The Prince of Wales, known as Bertie, threatened to step in, declare his mother insane and take her place. There is an echo of King George III and the Prince Regent here! Victoria sent a stern memo to her household and family, chastising them for their behaviour and accusing them of racism and class snobbery. They were all instructed to be courteous to the Munshi. This bizarre story ended in a compromise. The Queen gave Karim a Member of the Victorian Order decoration instead of the knighthood he had hoped for, but she took him with her to the South of France. She put this man above everything and everyone it seems. All this could be another reason for the vindictive destruction of the letters and the eviction of the munshi described above. Abdul Karim with Queen Victoria in 1885: 
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 4, 2017 17:33:51 GMT
King George V blackmailed the government in 1921
This was first revealed in 2007, but it is news to me: “THE Royal family threatened to quit Windsor Castle, dismiss its staff and turn up to the state opening of Parliament in a taxi to embarrass the government after running into severe financial difficulties in the depression-hit 1920s. Restricted files seen by Scotland on Sunday show that King George V went cap in hand to the Prime Minister demanding more than 100,000, the equivalent of more than 3m today, in a bid to alleviate his desperate economic circumstances. In a move that reveals that conflict between the monarchy and the government over the Civil List is nothing new, King George said that unless he received an immediate and sizeable rise in public payments to the Crown, pageantry would be "abolished forever" in Britain and he would be reduced to the status of a French president. Unlike the present Royal Family, however, which has had to endure cuts in the Civil List, the King persuaded politicians to agree to his demands.” Read more at: www.scotsman.com/news/uk/george-v-s-right-royal-revolt-1-1418928What a strange story. Surely the royal family had plenty of money of their own; I suppose that they just wanted to live off public money. The Queen didn’t turn up to the state opening of Parliament in a taxi this year, but she did wear ordinary clothes. Her ‘EU hat’ was a big comedown from the Imperial State Crown. Perhaps this is symbolic of a future  
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 13, 2017 6:03:03 GMT
Prince Charles and his circle
Prince Charles is preparing to become king. He is taking over one of the Queen’s key duties in November - the laying of the wreath at the Cenotaph. A man is known by the company he keeps, and Prince Charles has had many undesirable friends and mentors – or handlers, blackmailers and exploiters - over the years. Who knows what evil influences he will be under when he takes the throne? Some of the people in his life were described in the 4137-page Jimmy Savile thread on the David Icke Forum, a thread that has had close to 23 million views. The information is damning and has been around for several years, yet he is still considered monarch material. These chilling pictures of him showing subservience to Jimmy Savile and Sir Evelyn de Rothschild have been available for a long time too:   Now is a suitable time to look again at some of the information that we found about the circles that Prince Charles moves in.
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 13, 2017 6:16:08 GMT
Armand Hammer: one of Prince Charles’s delightful friends
Many different sources have reported Prince Charles’s liking for freebies from very rich men. Armand Hammer was one of them. "It should be noted that Vice President Al Gore and Prince Charles have a common mentor, now-deceased oil industrialist Armand Hammer, who was god-father to Charles’ firstborn son, Prince William." www.despatch.cth.com.au/Despa...ustainable.htm"PRINCE Charles faces fresh embarrassment today with startling revelations about his extraordinary relationship with billionaire Russian spy Armand Hammer. The disgraced oil tycoon poured more than £40 million into many of the Prince's favourite causes, says a former aide. "Stony-faced, Diana had to dance with this brazen crook and his cronies. One was a cocaine dealer. Others were linked to the Mafia. ... Diana cringed as she danced with his sleazy cronies. One was a cocaine baron. Others had Mafia links." Priceless gifts were lavished on Charles and Diana - who were flown around the globe in his luxurious corporate jet - as Hammer cynically set out to exploit the 'gullible and naive' heir to the throne. He even provided painting lessons for the Prince, says writer Neil Lyndon, flying one of America's most celebrated water-colourists across the Atlantic to give tuition in brushwork. In return, the royal couple sent gushing, hand-written letters of thanks to a man Lyndon describes as "not only one of the 20th century's most corrupt men" but a "monumentally unscrupulous fraudster". Lyndon had first-hand experiences of Hammer's calculated overtures to Charles and Diana. He worked closely with the tycoon from 1984 to 1989, "witnessing daily his self-obsessive and brutal approach to life"." globalfire.tv/nj/03en/International Travellers/hammer.htm This is an old report from an obscure site, but it is supported by similar reports from many other sources. Armand Hammer with Prince Charles: 
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 13, 2017 17:13:46 GMT
Prince Charles and John (Yiannis) Latsis
As long ago as 2003, the Daily Mail published a detailed article about Prince Charles and the very rich men he has been drawn to – or dominated by - throughout much of his life. One of them was John Latsis: " ...the death this week of shipping tycoon John Latsis has robbed the Prince of yet another in the list of those multimillionaires who seem to overpower him so easily with their money and their extravagance...in recent years, no man has dazzled Charles quite like John Latsis. When he died on Thursday, the Prince sent his widow a personal note of condolence and instructed his office to issue a statement to express his sadness at the tycoon's death. The troubling question that persists is how a man described as a ' gangster' in his native Greece, a foulmouthed bully who displayed little integrity, was permitted to push his way into the highest reaches of British society. The answer, as ever with tycoons who have a taste for the friendship of royalty, and a need for the patronage of politicians, is money - money that gushed like a golden fountain and impressed people who should have known better. Latsis donated Pounds 1 million to Charles's Youth Business Trust, and, when Hammer died in 1990, was ready to step into his shoes as the Prince's closest plutocrat friend. Latsis, of course, was the provider of the Prince's annual freebie summer holiday, surrounded by the vulgar opulence of the 400ft yacht Alexander, with its Turkish baths, chandeliered ballroom, private cinema and disco. So just how do these figures get close to Charles? In Latsis's case, it was literally by buying his way into royal circles - he invested in a home just yards from St James's Palace.” Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-228867/On-death-Why-IS-Charles-dazzled-seedy-billionaires.html#ixzz4vN8E1YZv Is it really just a matter of social climbing and gaining status by knowing the right people on one side, and a taste for free luxuries and holidays on yachts combined with a need for other people’s money for his charities on the other? This interpretation makes Prince Charles look very bad, but maybe it is damage limitation. Was something much more sinister going on below the surface?
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 14, 2017 6:29:21 GMT
Uncle Gary the joker
How on earth did the Middletons get into the royal family? They would have been investigated and a lot of incriminating information found. Perhaps it really was blackmail; perhaps Kate’s grandfather learned something when he spent that time with Prince Philip. Kate’s uncle Gary is the black sheep of the family, with a reputation for being a fun person: “The royals were unamused when Wolf Hall author Hilary Mantel called the Duchess of Cambridge a ‘shop-window mannequin’ with a ‘perfect plastic smile’ whose only purpose was to breed, in her incendiary 2013 London Review of Books essay. But Kate’s renegade uncle, Gary Goldsmith, seemed to get the joke as he posed with life-size Lego replicas of his photo-perfect niece and husband Prince William at Hamleys in London this week.”  Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3485030/SEBASTIAN-SHAKESPEARE-Kate-s-naughty-uncle-Lego-lovebirds.html#ixzz42VreXqkr
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 14, 2017 6:45:29 GMT
Uncle Gary: not so funny now
“Kate Middleton's uncle Gary Goldsmith is charged with assault after 'punching his wife with a left hook during a late night row in the street over his cocaine use before she was rushed to hospital' It was reported that the couple had left a charity auction at Home House, an exclusive private members' club in central London, but began arguing as they shared a taxi back to their Marylebone home, where flats sell for millions of pounds. It also emerged that the couple had begun arguing after Mrs Goldsmith confronted her husband about his alleged cocaine use. 'He was screaming and swearing at her and she slapped him round the face and his glasses fell off. It kicked off as they tried to unlock door,' Daniel Shepherd, a taxi driver, told the Sun.'He then turned and hit her in the face with a left hook. She fell and cracked her head on the pavement.' His wife has a record too: "She has previously been convicted of fraud when she stole £250,000 from a luxury car firm she was working for in 1996. At her trial she admitted five charges and asked for 52 similar offences to be taken into consideration, she received a suspended sentence in 1996. A judge at Chester Crown Court ruled that the money Mrs Goldsmith had taken to buy a Rolex watch and Mercedes sports car, while working as a clerk, was down to her deprived childhood. She was born in Stockport and grew up on a council estate. Last night a Metropolitan Police spokeswoman said: 'Gary Goldsmith was charged on Friday, 13 October with assault by beating. This relates to an incident on Friday, 13 October. He has been bailed to appear at Westminster Magistrates' Court on Tuesday, 31 October.'“  Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4979252/Kate-Middleton-s-uncle-Gary-Goldsmith-charged-assault.html#ixzz4vSbEWSpf Why are we not surprised? Just as the social climbers got their hooks into Prince Charles, the Goldsmith/Middletons latched onto Prince William. James Middleton and Boomf are a joke; Uncle Gary is much more sinister.
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 15, 2017 5:47:16 GMT
Prince Charles, John Latsis and Princess Diana
Prince Charles often holidayed on John Latsis’ yacht Alexander. “Each time Charles 'borrowed' the yacht for two weeks, he was saving in the region of Pounds 1 million, which is how much it would have cost him to charter it. Alexander was, after all, the world's third-biggest private yacht - and naturally, it had solid gold taps and a swimming pool on every deck. He took Diana on it, and later Camilla. No wonder it was dubbed the 'love boat'. Princes William and Harry and a gang of friends, including a posse of pretty girls, also went aboard...” It is obvious how Prince Charles benefitted from the use of the yacht, but what about the owner? “He puffed himself up with pride because other rich Greeks could see him - and envy him - as a close personal friend of the British Royals. He adored the fact that Charles and Diana's 1991 cruise on the Alexander was described as a 'second honeymoon'. It wasn't, of course. The following year they went again with the children when their marriage was in its death throes. This was the holiday when an unhappy Diana went missing and was feared to have thrown herself overboard. After an urgent search they eventually found her sobbing and hiding in a lifeboat.” Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-228867/On-death-Why-IS-Charles-dazzled-seedy-billionaires.html#ixzz4vVXJjwWm I hate to think what could have brought Diana to that state, and on a family holiday too.
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 15, 2017 5:50:50 GMT
Prince Charles dismissed complaints against Jimmy Savile
Who was close to Prince Charles who hasn’t been disgraced? How many confidants and mentors did he have? How many does one person need? His relationship with Savile has been speculated about for some years now. It is still unclear what was really going on. I wonder what ‘health adviser’ means: "A senior Health Service official known to one BBC staffer remembers once in the 80s being called to Highgrove House, where Prince Charles introduced everyone to “my health adviser, Jimmy Savile.” Dan Davies, Savile’s biographer, told me, ‘He was a very serious confidant to the heir of the throne up until Charles got together with Camilla. Then his influence waned.’" www.vanityfair.com/business/2...savile-scandalThis is not surprising: “ The Prince did receive letters from the public complaining about Savile,’ says a senior aide. ‘But the writers were dismissed [by him] as jealous or mad.’” This is a very common reaction, and it is a dead giveaway. What would someone who was on the level do after receiving such complaints?  Prince Charles is pictured meeting Jimmy Savile at a dinner event at the Club Double Diamond in Caerphilly in 1978 Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3265742/Jimmy-Savile-Prince-Charles-close-friendship-sex-abuse-bishop-Peter-Ball.html#ixzz4vVZlM2oe
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 15, 2017 17:49:26 GMT
Prince Charles and three more mentors
“Prince Charles has dedicated a shrine at his 'temple' on his Highgrove estate to the former Poet Laureate, the Satanist Ted Hughes. It now transpires that Prince Charles and Ted Hughes had a long-term 'spiritual' association.” “...two mentors of Prince Charles, Michael Bentine and Laurens van der Post, died within days of each other. Both had backgrounds with British intelligence." www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=41&contentid=8285&page=2There was a time when I had some respect for Prince Charles for spending time with men such as these. All I knew of them was their achievements; I didn’t know about any allegations. I am not convinced that Ted Hughes was a Satanist, although he was certainly interested in the occult. Working for British intelligence is not necessarily sinister either. It is interesting that both Armand Hammer and John Latsis were 92 years old when they died, and Laurens van der Post was 90.
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 15, 2017 17:50:57 GMT
Prince Charles’s mentor Laurens van der Post was a teller of tall stories
"According to a new biography, ''Teller of Many Tales: The Lives of Laurens van der Post,'' by the British journalist J. D. F. Jones, published here last month by Carroll & Graf, van der Post was a fraud who deceived people about everything from the amount of time he actually spent with the Bushmen to his military record during World War II. His claim that he had brokered the settlement in the Rhodesian civil war was a lie as was his insistence that he was a close friend of Jung's, Mr. Jones says...
Van der Post also lied to the women in his life, Mr. Jones says. He juggled affairs with numerous women simultaneously, keeping them secret from one another. In 1934, he settled in England with his first wife, Marjorie, and his son, John, on a farm probably bought for him with money from the Queen Mother's cousin Lilian Bowes Lyon, with whom he was having a relationship.
'I discovered to my astonishment that not a single word he ever wrote or ever said could necessarily be believed,'’ Mr. Jones said in an interview from his home in Somerset, England. ‘He was a compulsive fantasist.'"
Prince Charles had a fraud and a liar as his guru and godfather to Prince William? What a surprise.
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 16, 2017 5:36:26 GMT
Crumbling façades and sinking ships
More Buckingham Palace staff have had enough: “More than a dozen of the Queen's kitchen staff have walked out amid 'turmoil' at the Palace over the heavy demands placed on workers. Chefs and porters are said to have complained about a lack of time off and the expectation that they will work at several royal residences for the same salary. Cooks often have to travel between Windsor Castle - where the Queen lives most of the time - and Buckingham Palace where functions are held. Prince Charles is also said to use the staff when he throws events and the chefs also cook meals for William, Kate and Harry at Kensington Palace. A Royal insider told The Sun: 'The place is in turmoil and the mood is getting steadily worse. People work all hours God sends for no extra pay. Nobody gets any time off or sees their families. It's too much. They've concluded it's not worth it any more. At least seven chefs have quit, plus other members of staff. Some are very experienced and won't be easy to replace.' The resignations come just weeks after the Queen lost her most senior courtier amid claims he was 'forced out' in a power struggle between Buckingham Palace and the Prince of Wales. Sir Christopher Geidt, the Queen’s private secretary, suddenly announced in July that he was leaving after 15 years of royal service. He was followed by his assistant private secretary, Samantha Cohen, the third most senior courtier in the Queen’s private office. It has been claimed that Sir Christopher’s demise was sealed by a series of complaints from Charles and his brother, Prince Andrew, to the Queen who unusually backed her sons over her staff.” Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4981808/Queen-hit-walkouts-cooks-kitchen-staff.html#ixzz4vZQxbiFW So the magic spell is breaking up. Sometimes a huge avalanche starts with just a few stones...
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 18, 2017 18:21:34 GMT
Princess Beatrice (Princess Henry of Battenburg) and Queen Victoria’s journals
Princess Beatrice was Queen Victoria’s youngest child. For much of her life she acted as her mother’s secretary and close companion. She was expected to stay alongside her grieving mother in the bleak years after the death of Albert and to have no life of her own. In the end, unlike Queen Alexandra’s daughter Princess Victoria who was also her mother’s companion, she staged a minor rebellion: she married a German prince and established her own dynasty. Beatrice was Queen Victoria’s literary executor. Following her mother’s wishes, she transcribed and edited her mother’s letters and journals. She expurgated and destroyed some of the contents, giving herself the right to remove material that might prove embarrassing to the Royal Family or call into question the carefully nurtured image of Victoria cultivated by Beatrice and her siblings and sycophantically inclined journalists and biographers. The task took 30 years to complete. Beatrice removed so much material that the edited journals are only one third as long as the originals. The destruction of so much content distressed King George V and Queen Mary, but they had no power to intervene. We can only speculate about the incriminating material that has disappeared forever. Unless someone invents a time machine and goes back to rescue it, we will never know what it was. What remains of the journals has been made available online by Queen Elizabeth: www.queenvictoriasjournals.org/home.doSo Queen Alexandra and Princesses Beatrice and Margaret have all destroyed royal correspondence, for one reason or another. Who will be the next to destroy the evidence when the Queen goes, and what material will be considered too damning or dangerous to preserve? The Queen is known to keep a journal. Maybe it has all been digitised... 
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 21, 2017 17:12:49 GMT
Wasting and misusing public money: an example from the Victorian age
Wondering whether we get good value for the money the royals get from us and disapproving of what they do with public money is nothing new. Bertie, Prince of Wales, the future Edward VII, made an extensive tour of India in 1875/76. When this was first announced, there were hostile demonstrations all over England. Banners and placards were used to display the protesters’ outrage that large amounts of public money would be spent on an expensive trip. A crowd of 60,000 protested loudly in Hyde Park that working men were being robbed just so the Prince could go off and shoot tigers and enjoy himself. Not only would he be taking a large number of people with him, but some of the money would be used to pay for expensive presents for fabulously wealthy Indian princes. Bertie didn’t want to look mean; he wanted to match the priceless presents that rich rajahs would be giving him. What really annoyed his critics was that he would keep for himself the presents he was given. What a racket! Although he was said to be ‘strengthening ties’, it really was just a sightseeing holiday and big-game hunting trip. 
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 22, 2017 16:04:04 GMT
The freeloading Cambridges and their holidays
“The King and Queen of the freebie holiday: Kate and Wills enjoy breaks at £20,000-a-week resorts thanks to the Royal Family's network of friends They famously have two vast family homes of their own. Yet it seems the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge like nothing better than to stay at someone else’s house. And preferably for free. Last week saw the couple enjoy yet another low-cost holiday, this time a ten-day break at a charming 16th Century chateau in the South of France, courtesy of communications tycoon Michael Green. It appears to be the latest in a string of freebies provided by a willing and very wealthy network of friends and acquaintances in Switzerland, Barbados, Mustique and other desirable locations around the globe. Among those who have opened their doors are the owners of the Jigsaw fashion chain, a hedge fund millionaire, fellow Royals and the late Duke of Westminster.” Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3739360/The-King-Queen-freebie-holiday-Kate-Wills-enjoy-breaks-20-000-week-resorts-thanks-Royal-Family-s-network-friends.html#ixzz4HHLu5iZz Network of friends? What do these people get in return? I wonder whether it is just a coincidence that the Duke of Westminster died suddenly soon after their return from the South of France and his private jet, which they used, filled with smoke on the way to his funeral. This makes me think of smokescreens.
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 23, 2017 17:16:35 GMT
Princess Margaret’s decadent habits
Princess Margaret did have friends who genuinely liked her and she brought some glamour, interest and excitement into people’s lives during the rather dull 1950s, but if what has been published in recent biographies is true she was not a nice person at all: “This was a Princess who never seemed to think of any of the inconvenience she caused or that it was anything other than everyone’s role to fulfil her slightest whim. All of this was so sad because, when young, she had been beautiful, vivacious and at times quick-witted. But the downside won and that’s what the public in the end perceived. She was devoid of the common touch, attracting many to her circle who were sleazy glitterati and lived, it seemed, entirely for her own pleasure. “ Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3839947/Princess-Margaret-Arrogant-capricious-Edward-Dull-Charles-Turning-cyclops-majestically-mischievous-diaries-SIR-ROY-STRONG-takes-rapier-royal-encounters.html#ixzz4NL6kfYEb ‘Sleazy glitterati’ is a good description of some of her playboy and criminal acquaintances. And today we have some revelations of her decadent habits. When I saw the headline, I expected something much stronger and more damning than this: “She has been hailed as 'grander than the Queen' and was called 'Ma'am' even by her most intimate friends. So it is perhaps of little surprise that Princess Margaret's morning routine was at one time fantastically decadent. In her mid-20s the Queen's younger sister is said to have enjoyed breakfast in bed, an hour-long bath and a vodka 'pick me up' - all before 1pm.  Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5005957/Princess-Margaret-s-decadent-morning-routine.html#ixzz4wJlqzxUa So she scattered newspapers all over the floor? End the monarchy now! With the Queen Mother in the 1950s, when they lived together: 
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 23, 2017 17:20:05 GMT
The Duchess of Cambridge shows off her sporty side!
Pictures from a public engagement, featuring the awful jeggings:  Another view:  "The Duchess of Cambridge showed off her sporty side today during her visit to an RAF base today to meet local air cadets, as she joined youngsters in jumping games as part of a team building exercise." Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4223046/Duchess-Cambridge-visit-RAF-Wittering.html#ixzz4Yfu7dvKfPictures such as these of Duchess Kate are not at all exceptional; there are many more examples available online. Why should public money be used to support people who have no sense of the dignity of the monarchy?
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 24, 2017 5:50:31 GMT
Prince Charles and Bob Geldof
Seeing our future monarch being reprimanded by Jimmy Savile and Sir Evelyn de Rothschild was bad enough, but Bob Geldof treats the royal family with a lack of respect too. I wonder what was behind this: "I wish I had been born Bob Geldof." -Prince Charles articles.chicagotribune.com/k.../prince-philipAnd then we have this story: "William as a young child rightly earned Diana’s affectionate nickname as “Your Royal Naughtiness.” Junor described William, age 4, wandering into a meeting his father was having with Bob Geldof, the perpetually scruffy singer and humanitarian. “Why do you have to talk to that man?” William asked. “Because we have work to do,” Charles replied. “He’s all dirty,” said William. “Shut up, you horrible boy,” said Geldof. “He’s got scruffy hair and wet shoes,” William said, undaunted. “Don’t be rude,” was about all his mortified father could muster. Both parents were soft touches when it came to discipline. It was the Queen, a doting grandmother and latter-day role model, who signalled that young William’s behaviour was unacceptable." www.macleans.ca/society/life/dianas-damage/Geldof obviously felt at home with Prince Charles. Here is a horrible picture of them at the Live Aid concert in 1985. Bottom right, Geldof is leaning on Charles’s shoulder. 
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 26, 2017 5:05:49 GMT
George IV and his self-created public image
The creation and promotion of an image of royalty that is very different from the reality is nothing new; it has been around for centuries. George IV for example constructed his own public image. George IV, the King in Waiting, became the Prince Regent when his father George III was declared insane. George III had tried to create an image of respectability and family values. George IV demolished his father’s work. He sounds like a really dreadful man and a very bad king. His name was a byword for extravagance, and he was a national joke. He was despised and his behavior considered vulgar and unstatesmanlike. He tried to create the image of a very different person: “As Prince, Regent and King, George IV strove to fashion an idealised image of himself that increasingly bore little relation to reality… his seemingly inexhaustible desire to promote himself to a place in the nation's hearts which his dismal conduct had signally failed to win ... In many ways he was a strikingly modern monarch - not in the constitutional sense, but in the way in which he intrinsically recognised how an attractive, manufactured image could be used to hide or divert attention from the less impressive aspects of the life of a key public figure. In this context, George IV's obsessive desire to be taken for something which he plainly was not anticipated the celebrity culture of present-day Britain and, more pertinently, foreshadowed the attempts during the last four decades to market and repackage the British monarchy. George IV's crucial mistake was to actually believe in the image he had carefully manufactured, rather than in the less edifying reality.“ www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/george_fourth_01.shtmlNot a bad article from the BBC, although they do not give examples or say what methods he used to promote the attractive façade that he wanted people to accept.
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 26, 2017 5:08:02 GMT
Two very different images of George IV
Pictures help to promote a desired public image. Artists - and sculptors- flattered and idealised George IV in their artworks. His wife Caroline, on first meeting him, commented, “he is very fat and he is nothing like as handsome as his portrait.” Only people who actually met George IV or who saw him out and about would know how grossly overweight he was – unless they saw the cartoons that appeared in some scurrilous pamphlets or spoke with people who had seen him. He could never get away with hiding his enormous girth today, even with photo-shopping. He visited Scotland in 1822 and was painted in Highland dress. The picture was idealised and not very true to life:  Here for comparison is a caricature of the time: 
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 26, 2017 5:33:20 GMT
Dukes and plane crashes: more special arrangements?
Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester was the most senior royal at the reinterment of his namesake Richard III, also a Duke of Gloucester. Prince Richard is the second son of Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester, the third son of King George V – and the only one who was not a mason. Prince Richard inherited his title because his elder brother Prince William of Gloucester, a trained pilot, died in an air crash in 1972. Prince William had health problems; he was diagnosed with porphyria. He wanted to marry a Hungarian woman of International Travelling origin who had two small children. To get back to Prince Henry, his younger brother George, Duke of Kent, who had a scandalous lifestyle and frequently appeared in the gossip columns, also died in an air crash. There are many theories about George's mysterious flight and death, including the suggestion he was assassinated by British Intelligence on Winston Churchill's orders. It has been said that George was going to pick up Rudolf Hess. Four brothers: two kings and two dukes. George is on the left and Henry on the right, with their two elder brothers in the middle:  Some minor coincidences: George, Duke of Kent was killed on August 25th 1942. William, Duke of Gloucester was killed on August 28th 1972. George was the first member of the royal family to work in the civil/diplomatic service; William was the second. George was born on 20th December, William on 18th. 'Cherokee' appeared in several contexts on the old forum; William of Gloucester's plane was a Piper Cherokee.
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 27, 2017 18:13:47 GMT
The Queen’s 90th birthday portrait and Annie Leibovitz
This eerie picture was deliberately made to look like an oil painting. It has relevance to a few threads – something isn’t right about it and it contains some Alice in Wonderland elements for example - but the main point of interest here is the photographer.  “Taken by renowned American photographer Annie Leibovitz at Windsor Castle last month, these remarkable pictures have been released to mark the Queen’s 90th birthday today. The first (pictured) shows Her Majesty surrounded by her grandchildren and great-grandchildren.” Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3550750/Three-poignant-portraits-released-mark-Queen-s-90th-birthday.html#ixzz46R325bQa At the time, I wondered why an American photographer should be chosen. I said: Famous – and notorious - portrait photographer Annie Leibovitz seems a very strange choice… many pictures of and by her belong in the symbolism thread. For starters, here is a picture of her taken by someone else:  Photo of Annie Leibovitz by John Keatley A recent DM article gives some more information about her, including an allegation of drug addiction. “Leibovitz ...ventually morphed into a 'full-blown drug addict whose body was, more than once, unceremoniously dumped in front of a hospital by her dealer.' Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5010361/Annie-Leibovitz-threesomes-Jann-Wenner-did-meth.html#ixzz4wj5hfOh0 Her appearance suggests that the above allegation is true. So why was someone like that selected and permitted to get so close to the royal family? There was a time when access to the Royal Enclosure at Ascot was by invitation only and candidates were carefully screened; divorced people were not allowed into the royal presence there. Now it seems that anything and anyone goes.
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 28, 2017 16:06:27 GMT
Two depressed devout Catholics with a connection to the Cambridges
There is something very not right about both these cases. Nanny Maria Borrallo as a young girl is on the left; Nurse Jacintha Saldanha, who allegedly killed herself while working at the King Edward VII Hospital where Kate was being treated, is on the right:   There are many things to speculate about here. The official stories leave many questions unanswered. I am still wondering why William & Kate chose a Spanish Catholic as a nanny. Did the nurse see, overhear or learn something that would have exposed a surrogacy arrangement? Was she a sacrifice? At first she was reported to have no history of depression, but the story later changed. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that Nanny Borallo was depressed too – she certainly looks it a lot of the time, although it could just be that she is uncomfortable with all the attention, publicity and photographers. Although she does smile on occasion, it looks a little false and she often looks drained and unhappy. Who knows what she has seen, overheard or learned while working for the Cambridges...
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