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Post by aletheia on Dec 1, 2018 20:12:51 GMT
I have always found flags and their designs fascinating. I feel that there are definitely some interesting connexions out there when one studies their symbols and colours.
One clear example of this is the masonic relation to the colour coding of many national flags; with the red-white-blue scheme being so widespread.
This thread can be used for any noteworthy items relating to flags and I'm hoping that some illuminating information can be pooled here.
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 1, 2018 20:37:55 GMT
I have never come across the word 'vexillology' before!
'illuminating' is a good word!
Individual flags have been mentioned here and there in various contexts on this and the old forum.
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 2, 2018 19:33:12 GMT
The Cornish flag
St. Piran’s flag is the symbol of Cornish identity. The white represents molten tin; the black is peaty soil or rock. It is also said to represent the overcoming of evil by good. I have seen people carrying the flags in London, but for some reason planning permission is necessary to fly them back home: “Thousands of patriotic Cornishmen were facing the renewed threat of investigation by council planning inspectors last night - after the Government confirmed that planning permission is needed to fly the flag of St Piran...although the EU flag, the United Nations flag and the Commonwealth flag have been added to the list of "national" flags that can be flown without permission, the famous Cornish emblem has not. The decision means that thousands of Cornish households flying the distinctive black and white flag of St Piran without planning permission could face enforcement action and fines. Similar problems could also face the growing number of people flying the green, white and black Devon flag, which was also left off the list.” www.cornwall24.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=1267
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 4, 2018 8:23:57 GMT
The flag of the Cherokees
We found several interesting references to Cherokee on the old forum. This one was incidental at the time, but can now be highlighted: “The current flag of the Cherokee Nation consists of an orange field with the Great Seal of the Cherokee Nation in the center. The seal is surrounded by seven yellow stars with seven points. Each of these stars points toward the star in the center of the seal. The seven pointed stars represent the seven clans of the Cherokee, as well as other symbolisms of the number seven in Cherokee tradition. In 1989 an additional star was added to the upper right hand corner of the flag. It is black, and represents the light that went out with the deaths of those who perished on the Trail of Tears. The flag has a green and black rope edging.” – WiKi
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 5, 2018 7:49:38 GMT
The Commonwealth flag
This flag was slightly redesigned in 2013. The changes consisted of a reduction in the number of spears, a tilt to the alignment of the globe and a deepening of the colours. The spears form the letter ‘C’ for Commonwealth. Blue and gold like the EU flag...
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 6, 2018 8:17:22 GMT
Flags of the Celtic nations
The six main Celtic nations are Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Cornwall, Isle of Man and Brittany. There are many variations of this composite flag: Galicia and Asturias in Spain have joined the party in these stamps issued by the Isle of Man:
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Post by aletheia on Dec 6, 2018 13:02:32 GMT
"The six main Celtic nations are Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Cornwall, Isle of Man and Brittany." Interesting flag there. The triskelion (or τρισκέλιον; Ancient Gr.) symbol seen in the centre of the Celtic nations flag and the Manx flag has a wide distribution. Also to be seen on the flag of Sicily (where it is called the trinacria), where it features with the Head of the Gorgon, which was introduced around 1282. The symbol itself could represent swirling and turbulent energy, rather like the swastika, and it is important to neo-pagans. Another unique appearance of the triskelion is found in nature. The protein clathrin, which forms the coats of biological vesicles, adopts a triskelion structure which allows it to assemble into a cage formation. This molecule was first isolated by Pearse in 1976.
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 6, 2018 19:32:15 GMT
The Flag of the Isle of Man
I don't like this flag very much. The design seems amusing rather than uplifting.
Somewhere on here there is a triskelion design with three hares or rabbits.
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Post by aletheia on Dec 21, 2018 13:44:53 GMT
The Flag of Japan is called the Hinomaru which means the Sun Disc. In the Shinto religion, there is a solar goddess called Amaterasu, which the flag venerates. The more familiar national flag is a white field charged through the centre with the red sun disc. The other flag is the naval ensign and has a reduced red sun disc with 16 rays. This is analogous to the rose windows, that can be found in cathedrals, which often have 16 rays in their design. The photograph below is an interesting one from the 1931 Japanese Invasion of Manchuria – both of the main flags can be seen in the shot.
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 22, 2018 8:09:36 GMT
Japanese defence flag
I like the rising sun design, but this flag has some sinister associations. It is a reminder of war crimes and oppression, similar to the swastika. I found an interesting article about the possible origin of this design “ there are some family crests representing the sun surrounded with radial rays. They are traditionally known as hiashi mon (sun-leg crests)... The number of the rays in the Army flag might come from the 16-petaled chrysanthemum crest of the Imperial House...” www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/8m5emv/who_designed_the_16_ray_rising_sun_flag/It is interesting that the swastika too is said to be a sun with arms and legs. Flying high for the moment, but there is a campaign to ban it:
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 27, 2018 8:49:27 GMT
The flag of Devon: black, white and green
This is another English county flag. It is unusual in that it was selected in 2003 from a variety of designs after two web-based polls run by the BBC. The green represents the rolling Devon hills and the black the high windswept moors of Dartmoor and Exmoor. The white represents both the salt spray of Devon’s coastlines and the China Clay industry.
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 27, 2018 8:51:51 GMT
St. Petroc’s flag (Devon) and St. Piran’s flag (Cornwall)
It is hoped that the flag of Devon will become a symbol of local pride and identity similar to the Cornish flag, which may have inspired it. Both peoples can rally round their flags and fight their war:
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Post by UnseenI on Jan 3, 2019 17:15:59 GMT
County flags of England
Some kind person made a map showing the flags for each county a few years ago. There is confusion and contention in some cases, and some of the flags were made official only very recently and after a poll. There does not seem to be much complex or subtle symbolism, just tradition and some obvious references to the sky etc. It is still a good starting point for an investigation. https://www.reddit.com/r/vexillology/comments/1sbujh/i_made_a_flag_map_of_the_counties_of_england/
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Post by UnseenI on Jan 6, 2019 8:48:02 GMT
The personal flag of Emperor Napoleon
Bees are a symbol of immortality and resurrection. As mentioned elsewhere, Napoleon had bees on his coronation mantle. They are associated with the Merovingians, and he wanted to link himself to the old dynasty. His personal flag had bees too:
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Post by UnseenI on Jan 6, 2019 8:49:12 GMT
The flag of Corsica
Napoleon Bonaparte was of Corsican origin. The Corsican flag is unusual; the Moor’s head design goes back to the 13th century:
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Post by UnseenI on Jan 11, 2019 8:22:58 GMT
The Tibetan flag
This is a very colourful one, and it is full of symbolism: From WiKi: “The Tibetan flag, also known as the ‘snow lion flag’..., is the national flag of Tibet, adopted by the 13th Dalai Lama in 1916. Banned by the Chinese government since 1959, today the flag is used by the Tibetan Government in Exile, based in Dharamshala, India.” This picture with text comes from Tibet House, the Dalai Lama’s cultural centre: tibethouse.us/member-library/video/flag/
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Post by UnseenI on Jan 14, 2019 8:01:31 GMT
The flags of the Bailiwick of Jersey
The flag with three leopards and a Plantagenet crown was officially adopted in 1979: Flags for individual parishes, with key:
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Post by UnseenI on Feb 13, 2019 7:50:14 GMT
Current and previous flags of Morocco
The Sussexes are visiting Morocco later this month. We will probably see some examples of the current flag, which has a 5-pointed star on it. From WiKi: “The red background on the Moroccan flag represents hardiness, bravery, strength and valour, while the green represents love, joy, wisdom, peace and hope,it also represents the color of Islam and the pentagram the seal of Solomon.The 5 branches also represents the pillars of Islam “ Other flags have been used in the past. The black and white squares on this one are interesting: “The oldest known flag of Morocco, is shown in the Libro de Conoscimiento de Todos los Reynos. This flag is supposed to have been used by the rulers in Morocco in XI-XIIIth century. The flag is red with a 64-square chessboard placed in the middle of the flag. The upper left square of the chessboard is white.”
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Post by UnseenI on Feb 15, 2019 7:38:45 GMT
Kazakhstan flag
The flag of Kazakhstan is blue and gold. From WiKi “The national flag of the Republic of Kazakhstan has a gold sun with 32 rays above a soaring golden steppe eagle, both centered on a sky blue background; the hoist side displays a national ornamental pattern "koshkar-muiz" (the horns of the ram) in gold; the blue color is of religious significance to the Turkic peoples”
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Post by UnseenI on Mar 25, 2019 7:27:28 GMT
German and Turkish flags from WWI
These flags symbolise the alliance between Germany and the Ottoman Empire during the First World War. The old German Imperial Battle flag has been replaced, but the Turkish flag is still in use:
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Post by UnseenI on Mar 30, 2019 19:38:10 GMT
Flags at Leave Means Leave
I saw many flags at the big demonstration in central London yesterday. It was a wonderful sight. As might be expected, most were Union flags. There were plenty of red and white St. George’s flags too. There was a special St. George’s flag just like this one: I was looking out for special flags. I saw just one Cornish flag, although there may have been more. There were a few other county flags, including the white rose of York and the symbols of Leicestershire. The strange thing in the bottom right is a sleeve:
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Post by UnseenI on Mar 31, 2019 7:30:00 GMT
UKIP flags at Leave Means Leave
UKIP is the right-wing United Kingdom Independence Party. There were quite a few of their flags at Friday’s demonstration. The yellow symbolises wealth and the purple symbolises royalty and glamour. The pound sign means that we should keep our currency apart from the Euro.
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Post by UnseenI on Nov 4, 2019 8:20:01 GMT
A big flag fanatic
“A pensioner has revealed his incredible collection of 680 flags, including one of every country and US state. Grandfather Alex Adlam, 74, keeps Britain's biggest private collection of flags neatly folded up in boxes at his small bungalow in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire. He has four flagpoles at his home - two in the front and two in the back - and flies different flags every day. His wife even updates a daily notice board with details and fun facts about the banners which are flying on that day.“ www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7533113/Pensioner-74-boasts-Britains-BIGGEST-private-flag-collection-680-banners.htmlThere are many colourful pictures if his flags in the article. Best comment: “I don't see the EU flag: good man!” One example of the pictures:
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Post by magpiejack on Nov 4, 2019 10:54:44 GMT
Flags at Leave Means Leave
I saw many flags at the big demonstration in central London yesterday. It was a wonderful sight. As might be expected, most were Union flags. There were plenty of red and white St. George’s flags too. There was a special St. George’s flag just like this one: I was looking out for special flags. I saw just one Cornish flag, although there may have been more. There were a few other county flags, including the white rose of York and the symbols of Leicestershire. The strange thing in the bottom right is a sleeve: I've just noticed this - Leics is my home county! The sleeve may represent the textile and hosiery trade, which boomed in Leicester from the 19th century and brought a lot of wealth but started to crumble in the 1980s. I have Yorkshire blood too, so it's lovely to see those two flags side by side.
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Post by UnseenI on Nov 5, 2019 8:43:37 GMT
County flags in London
That great day now seems a very long time ago. While I was out, I tried to memorise the design of some of the flags I didn’t recognise so that I could look them up when I got home. The Leicester flag was one of them.
Leicester has been mentioned on here in connection with Richard III, and David Icke’s home town is Leicester!
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Post by magpiejack on Nov 5, 2019 8:56:26 GMT
County flags in London
That great day now seems a very long time ago. While I was out, I tried to memorise the design of some of the flags I didn’t recognise so that I could look them up when I got home. The Leicester flag was one of them. Leicester has been mentioned on here in connection with Richard III, and David Icke’s home town is Leicester! There's also a legend that King Lear is buried in Leicester under the River Soar, and that the first part of the town name comes from 'Lear'. Cardinal Wolsey died in Leicester and was buried at the Abbey. He was on his way from York following a summons from Henry VIII, and was likely to have been arrested and executed. It was also a Roman town with a prehistoric settlement before that, so it has a very long history.
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 11, 2019 20:25:16 GMT
A flag with a jackdaw
This is the flag of the Ivano-Frankivsk Region in Ukraine. From Wiki: “In the middle of a white field is depicted a black jackdaw with raised wings and golden (yellow) crown, while facing the flagpole. At the flagpole side and along the side stretch red and black stripes, while on the opposite side the same way stretch blue and yellow stripes. The width of each stripe consists of 1/12 of the flag's length. The stripes represent the tradition of a fight for independence. The red and black stripes are the traditional colors of Red Ruthenia, while the blue and yellow are the colors of the bigger Ukraine.” The jackdaw looks a little surprised to be exalted in this way:
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 29, 2019 19:50:54 GMT
The flag of the Orange Order
The Orange Order is a fraternal organisation with branches across Northern Ireland. It is exclusively Protestant and bans Catholics, and those married to Catholics, from joining. The Flag of the Orange Order is also known as the Boyne Standard or the Orange Standard. The flag is orange with a purple star that was the symbol of the Williamite forces, and it has the English Cross of St. George in the top left hand corner:
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 30, 2019 19:56:13 GMT
Vancouver Island flag
The Sussexes may or may not be staying on Vancouver Island, but the place is now attracting attention and providing a few leads. For example, the island has a colourful flag, by coincidence with the helix of Hermes that has been mentioned in connection with helicopters. The principal symbols of the badge are Neptune’s trident and Mercury’s Caduceus or wand. These represent the island’s relationship with the sea and with trade respectively.
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Post by UnseenI on Mar 27, 2020 18:10:09 GMT
The flag of the city of Coronado
As mentioned elsewhere, Coronado is known as the Emerald City because of its Wizard of Oz connections. The city flag is emerald and white:
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