Miscellaneous monarchy-related topics of interest

The Prince Regent who became King George IV

truthseeker I learned from you that Prince Luitpold of Bavaria was the regent for two of his nephews because of their alleged mental incompetence and insanity. He was known as the Prinzregent.

Richard III became Lord Regent and Lord Protector for his two nephews because of their youth after the death of his brother Edward IV and before he became king.

We also have a Prince Regent: this was Prince George, eldest son of George III. He became regent because of his father George III’s alleged insanity.

Richard III and Ludwig II are the kind of men to set people’s imaginations on fire. They can be built into glamorous romantic heroes.

Prince George was not always a grotesque, obese monster. He was quite good looking and much thinner as a young man:



Ludwig II was known as der Märchenkönig i.e. the Fairy Tale King.

George IV called himself Florizel, possibly after the character who is the Prince of Bohemia in a Shakespeare play or possibly after Prince Florizel in the Sleeping Beauty fairy tale.

George IV loved to wear pseudo-historical fancy dress.

Ludwig III built many fairy tale castles; George IV built the Brighton Pavilion, a seaside pleasure palace;

Conan Doyle: writer for the crown

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle created a story in a tiny book for the generation of the royals after Edward and Alexandra:

“A little-known tale about one of the most famous partnerships in crime fiction will be published next month by Walker Books in collaboration with Royal Collection Trust. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's much-loved characters, Sherlock Holmes and his trusty sidekick Dr John H Watson, are brought to life in a book measuring just 38.5 x 30 mm - an exact replica of the hand-written story created by Conan Doyle especially for Queen Mary's Dolls' House in 1922.”

www.royalcollection.org.uk/about/news-and-features/miniature-sherlock-holmes-book-to-be-re-created-for-the-first-time#/

These pictures of the book and Queen Mary’s Dolls’ House remind me of Alice in Wonderland:





The mode housel, kept at Windsor Castle and designed by renowned architect Sir Edwin Lutyens, is an aristocratic Edwardian home in miniature complete with fully furnished rooms, electricity, running water and lifts.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2130737/Tiny-hand-drawn-childrens-book-Queen-Marys-dolls-house-published-human-size.html

A prince, two sisters and an ambitious, scheming mother

This is not about the Middletons!

I came across a story involving Prince Leopold, Duke of Albany and Queen Victoria’s eighth child and youngest son, and the Liddell sisters while looking for information about Lewis Carroll.

It is all anecdote and speculation, but could well be true.

Prince Leopold is said to have been romantically interested in the beautiful and cultured Alice Liddell, the inspiration for Carroll’s Wonderland books. He met her at Oxford, where her father was Dean of Christ Church College. He became part of their circle.

“Some have speculated that there was some level of romantic involvement between the pair, whilst others insist Leopold’s interests actually lay with Alice’s younger sister Edith. When Edith died in 1876, Leopold was a pallbearer at her funeral. Documents in the Royal Archives, such as the Queen’s correspondence regarding Leopold, mention no names, but there seems to be no doubt that Leopold was in love with someone, and a number of the pair’s Oxford acquaintances alluded to a link between the prince and one of the Liddell girls.

Some accused Alice’s ambitious mother of orchestrating the relationship. Lewis Carroll himself, whose own relationship with the Liddells had long since deteriorated, wrote a satirical piece called The Vision of Three T’s in which he characterised Mrs. Liddell as a ‘King-fisher’, suggesting that she was ‘angling for a royal son-in-law’. Whatever the truth, it is highly unlikely that Queen Victoria would have ever consented to her son marrying a commoner anyway.”

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Alice Liddell married a cricketer in Westminster Abbey, wearing a brooch that Prince Leopold, who did not attend the wedding, had sent her. Two years later, Leopold married a princess. He had a daughter whom he called Alice. He was also godfather to Alice’s son Leopold.

With his daughter Princess Alice:

Henry Fitzroy, another king who might have been

There have been several examples of royal heirs who conveniently died, often making way for someone who seemed more suitable for the monarchy. It is as if something removed them like pawns so that they could be replaced with a favoured candidate.

If his elder brother Prince Arthur had not died, we might not have seen Henry VIII on the throne.
Henry VIII’s legitimate son Edward, who became Edward VI, was sickly and probably suffered from tuberculosis. He died at the age of only 15. If he had lived, we might never have seen Elizabeth I on the throne.
There was someone else in this Tudor tangle. Henry Fitzroy, 1st Duke of Richmond and Somerset, was Henry VIII’s illegitimate son. He was the only illegitimate offspring that Henry VIII acknowledged.

If he had lived, he might have been King Henry IX.

Henry Fitzroy died in 1536, one year before Edward VI was born. He was only 17 years old and was said to be in good health. Henry VIII conferred many privileges on Fitzroy and is said to have considered making him his heir, passing over his daughters Mary and Elizabeth. A strong and healthy boy was a better option than a girl.

Henry VIII kept Fitzroy on the back burner while he tried to get legitimate sons by marrying Anne Boleyn and Jane Seymour.

Did Fitzroy die from the same condition that killed his relatives Prince Arthur and Edward VI? His burial was speedy and his coffin was sealed; did some kind of plague kill him?

Was he murdered to get him out of the way?

Fitzroy inherited his father’s red hair. This is hidden in the portrait, but can be seen In the Order of the Garter procession where he is on the far right and Henry VIII on the far left:

Prince Eddy

From memory, there are some references scattered around, but not a proper profile such as you have provided. I still wonder about him and the others who conveniently died. He is a very good example of an ‘undesirable’.

I will take another look when I get the chance. Maybe it is time to bring them together in a list.
As for pictures, I started small and took it one step at a time. You find your image, right click on it and open it in a new tab. Then you copy the URL, click on the coloured picture between the envelope and the clapper board in the editing bar and put the URL in (I delete the http bit that is already there ) and Insert Image.

Congratulations. In all my time on the David Icke Forum, I never attempted to post even one picture!

If you want to reduce the size, you click on Edit, go down to the BBCode tab, look for “max-width:100%; “ and change the 100 to a lower number. When putting two pictures side by side, I make them both 50%.

Adam Ant and the lion and the unicorn

Another poster brought up the subject of Adam Anton the old forum. I had barely heard of this man. He looks a bit like Johnny Depp to me!

He has some royal connections, mostly tenuous but worth mentioning.

Here he is with the lion and unicorn:

Adam Ant and some more royal connections

Prince Charming

A poster said, "...but he's a lot better looking than anyone the royal family, past present or doubtless future."

In 1981, Adam Ant had a number-one hit song called Prince Charming:



Words in a song

He has a song that includes these words:

"A new royal family, a wild Nobility, WE ARE THE FAMILY..."

Brexit and the British Civil War

While politics and current affairs were major topics for discussion on the CC forum, they are suitable for here only if there is a relevant connection, historic for example.

I posted on the CC forum about the aftermath of the EU Referendum, the Civil War and a predicted new civil war between Leavers and Remainers. Much of the Remainers’ hysteria has since died down, but this may still be of interest:

“The expression 'civil war' is gaining momentum, particularly among Leave supporters.

In the past, I mentally changed sides a good few times when reading about the British civil wars between the Cavaliers (Wrong but Wromantic) and the Roundheads (Right but Repulsive). When I first encountered this episode in Britain's history, it was obvious that King Charles I and his supporters had the right of it. They were much more glamorous than their opponents too. This was when I was a romantic young schoolgirl. Later, it seemed that there was a lot to be said for Oliver Cromwell and his political views. Yet the restoration of the monarchy with King Charles II seemed like a good thing for the country. I am still not sure which one was the better cause.

I found a good article recently. This extract is particularly fascinating:

‘...if you compare the areas of England that supported the King with those that voted for Brexit they are startlingly similar. In particular, the South West, Wales, the North and Lincolnshire all supported the King. So did Kent, although it was occupied by Parliament throughout the war. All of these areas voted overwhelmingly for Brexit. In contrast, Parliament’s power base lay in London and the South East, and in various other towns and cities forming part of the ‘new economy’...

As with Brexit, this earlier crisis pitched areas of prosperity and change against areas which felt left behind and which burned with resentment at years of dominance by the metropolitan elite.’ “

reaction.life/can-learn-brexit-english-civil-war/

Oliver Cromwell – an amusing footnote to his story

An online petition to Parliament was started in 2014:

“Remove the statue of Oliver Cromwell from the front of the Houses of Parliament. This statue is an absolute affront to all people of sense and does not sit happily in a democratic vision of a modern, inclusive democracy. It is also most offensive to the people of the Republic of Ireland and Scotland.“

I have passed the statue in question many times:



The number of signatures received was …

Henry Stuart, Prince of Wales

He was yet another heir to the throne who died unexpectedly. He was James I’s son and the elder brother of Charles I. He was said to be bright and promising and was very popular. He died, allegedly of typhoid fever, in 1612. He was 18 years old.

“It's also funny how different things could have been without these apparent twists of fate.”

aletheia, posting about the Jack the Ripper case and the Civil War has got me thinking about these twists of fate again.

There are two main issues: did the heirs die of some illness or from some ‘special arrangement’ designed to remove them from the succession, and what would have happened if they had lived to take the throne and produce heirs.

Many of the young men in question died centuries ago, which makes it very difficult to determine what they died from. I suspect that many of them really did die of tuberculosis or something similar. Prince Henry had been swimming in the Thames; typhoid is a waterborne disease. The medical treatment at the time was barbaric and inadequate too.

This still leaves the ‘what if’ question.

We can only speculate about whether or not there would have been a civil war if Charles the First’s elder brother Prince Henry, a Protestant, had not died.

I have the idea that under the reign of Henry IX there would have been no civil war and we might never have heard of Oliver Cromwell. A healthy and popular Protestant king with many descendants might have prevented the Oranges and the Hanoverians from coming over here and taking the throne...so no Prince Albert/Eddy!

Henry Stuart, the best king who never was:

Prince Henry Stuart again

Hello aletheia it is good to see you back on here.

“The story of Henry Frederick Stuart is certainly a sad one and he certainly seemed to be more levelled and of sounder mind than his younger brother Charles I.”

Your post has made me wonder whether this prince really was as exceptional, such a paragon of virtue and accomplishment, as people of the time said he was, especially when he died.

Flattery of royalty is very common, and not just in the official portraits: I read that people praise Prince Charles’s water-colour paintings when they are nothing much! Prince Henry’s good qualities and achievements may have been exaggerated just because he was a prince, and dead.

Assuming that Henry really was all that people said he was, while I can understand that some candidates for the succession might be ‘eliminated’ for not being up to standard, the idea that they might be got out of the way for being too good to be easily controlled is a new one.

“Controlled randomness” - or maybe different factions at work below the surface. Then there is the sacrifice of the first-born son element.

The question sure is puzzling.

"Assuming that Henry really was all that people said he was, while I can understand that some candidates for the succession might be ‘eliminated’ for not being up to standard, the idea that they might be got out of the way for being too good to be easily controlled is a new one."

Maybe there is some medium that the heir must exist between that is neither competent to a great extent or incompetent likewise.

Convenient deaths by zymotic diseases or by other means sure do abound when one looks through history.

And yes, I think you're right in your assessment of the Prince Charles's watercolours! They're good but nothing to write home about.

Princess Louise, Duchess of Fife: the queen who never was

We now have our first ever Prince Louis. We have already had several Princess Louises in the British royal family, of whom Louise Victoria, eldest daughter of Edward VII and Princess Alexandra, is of special interest because of her brother Prince Albert Victor/Eddy.

At the time when Prince Eddy died (or was reported to have died), his brother George was ill with typhoid. He was weak and depressed and there were fears that he would die unmarried, leaving Princess Louise as the heir. (There had been a third son, but he lived for only one day).

That was why Mary of Teck was rushed into a new engagement: Princess Louise was seen as very unsuitable for being Queen in her own right.  Unlike her formidable predecessors Victoria and Elizabeth I, Louise was quiet and shy; she was married to the Duke of Fife, who was not born royal, and her only living child was a daughter. All this made her a bad candidate for the throne; she may have been seen as a dead end.

It is likely that she was more relieved than anyone else when the future George V recovered, married and had a big family.

She had some tragedies in her life: not only did her big brother Eddy die, her only son was stillborn and her husband died from an illness contracted after a shipwreck.

Between her two brothers in 1892: