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Post by Avacyn on Nov 7, 2017 23:24:45 GMT
I thought I would start up this thread, because it is an interesting topic in itself, and I feel could generate a lot of discussion.
First, is a description from Wikipedia, to help establish the Mainstream view on ghosts:
This is the mainstream interpretation... but is it the right definition, or is there another, better answer for them?
I'll also be using this thread to note ghost sightings and photographs, and we can discuss if they are possibly fake, or if they are truthful depictions of some sort of phenomena.
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Post by UnseenI on Nov 8, 2017 17:27:03 GMT
I can’t make much of a contribution to this topic, but would like to take advantage of this opportunity to recommend Jonathan Stroud’s Lockwood & Co. series.
His ghosts are malignant and very dangerous, deadly even. Destroying them is a profession in itself. In his world, the only good ghost is an eradicated ghost. Most of the action takes place in and around modern day London, which is an extra attraction for me.
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Post by Avacyn on Nov 8, 2017 23:03:22 GMT
You might find interesting the Shades of London series of books. The first one had the return in ghostly form of Jack the Ripper... and is also set in London. The first one is called "The Name Of The Star," all written by Maureen Johnson.
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Post by UnseenI on Nov 9, 2017 6:13:17 GMT
I don't know these books. I will investigate.
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Post by UnseenI on Nov 9, 2017 18:34:32 GMT
Just as Terry Pratchett does with his Elves, Jonathan Stroud gets serious and gives some warnings about his ghosts in words that have wider application.
He says that ghosts are attracted to passive victims, people with psychic wounds, people who lack physical and mental strength … the weak, the enfeebled and the despairing …people who give off strong emotions e.g. anger and sorrow and pain... the ghosts sense sadness and take advantage...
They are attracted to people with a weak connection to life, people vulnerable to psychic or supernatural glamour… their enchantment works on those who, for one reason or another, are looking to the next world...
In other words, he is saying that the ghosts go for the low-hanging fruit and easy marks.
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Post by UnseenI on Nov 21, 2017 7:08:51 GMT
Many people who believe that ghosts exist say that they are probably very low class or even the dregs of the human race so are best avoided.
They deceive and mislead people; they take people hostage, surround them with bad energy, lure them away from real life and sabotage their lives or even destroy them.
There is a book by Joe Fisher called The Siren Call of the Hungry Ghosts that gives some examples of the dangers and deceptions that happen when people get involved with these entities. He was fooled by one of them for a long time.
He ended up killing himself.
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Post by UnseenI on Aug 7, 2018 6:35:00 GMT
Ghosts like the heatwave?
This is a strange development: “Ghost hunters say there has been a spike in paranormal activity during the summer heatwave Professional paranormal investigator Gary Parsons, 53, said the ghostly apparitions have been ''summoned'' by the scorching sun. And some people have even been afraid to enter their own homes, he said. Gary, who runs Plymouth Paranormal Investigators (PPI) from his Devon home, believes the increase is due to the unseasonably warm weather the UK has been enjoying. He said: "We have received a major spike in the number of calls during June and July, with people reporting scary supernatural phenomena.” www.thesun.co.uk/news/6953263/uk-heatwave-ghosts-paranormal-activity/I thought that they would prefer, dark and dank places and that sunlight would drive them away.
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Post by truthseeker on Oct 3, 2018 16:14:21 GMT
Just as Terry Pratchett does with his Elves, Jonathan Stroud gets serious and gives some warnings about his ghosts in words that have wider application. He says that ghosts are attracted to passive victims, people with psychic wounds, people who lack physical and mental strength … the weak, the enfeebled and the despairing …people who give off strong emotions e.g. anger and sorrow and pain... the ghosts sense sadness and take advantage... They are attracted to people with a weak connection to life, people vulnerable to psychic or supernatural glamour… their enchantment works on those who, for one reason or another, are looking to the next world... In other words, he is saying that the ghosts go for the low-hanging fruit and easy marks. I heard somewhere that people who do drugs are also in danger of being posessed/influenced by ghosts.
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 3, 2018 18:28:11 GMT
I have heard this too. Also alcohol.
It could even be the ghosts making them do it. From what I have read, assuming that ghosts do exist, some of them hang around looking for weak people who can be made to get them whatever they were addicted to when alive.
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Post by magpiejack on Jun 11, 2019 8:12:18 GMT
Fielding Johnson Hospital, Leicesterwww.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/382534568127_/RP-1945-FIELDING-JOHNSON-PRIVATE-HOSPITAL-LEICESTER.jpgI thought I'd reawaken this thread and share a spooky story! This is no longer a hospital, but my mum worked there for many years and it was haunted. These were accounts from some very down to earth, no-nonsense nurses (my mum included). In the 70s and 80s it was a part private, part NHS hospital. Previously it had been a pre-war maternity hospital. With the type of treatment and care it provided, no children were admitted unless they were at least teenage. Every Good Friday staff would hear a baby crying in the area of the lift, and I heard this first-hand from a very down to earth Scottish friend and colleague of my mum, who looked me in the eye and said "I've heard the baby cry". One patient on the top floor became hysterical one night, and when staff calmed her down she said that a woman in a white nightdress came into the room, walked to the window and jumped out. No body was found outside, and the story was that a woman had killed herself long ago after her baby died. Staff would have a half hour break when on nights, they would go and have a kip in comfy chairs and many said that they felt icy hands on their neck. The building was demolished except the facade, as that was listed, and offices were constructed behind. I wonder if it's still haunted, or whether the removal of the old fabric of the building took the ghosts with it?
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Post by magpiejack on Jun 11, 2019 8:48:29 GMT
Haunted Market Harborough
Here's my personal spooky tale. Back in the 80s I lived on the Southern Estate in Market Harborough, which as the name suggests is the estate of postwar houses on the south side of the town.
Back then I worked shifts, and when on lates I would read until the early hours. One late night I heard slow, heavy footsteps outside on the path in my back garden. I was quite freaked out by this, and peeked through the curtains. There was sufficient moonlight for me to see that nobody was in my garden, but I could still hear those footsteps outside and they were so loud that it was clear that they were coming from just a few feet away.
I heard a lot of comments that strange and spooky things happened on the Southern Estate, but never had further details. One thing that I was shown was a photo that a friend had taken of their newly installed front windows, there was nobody in the house at the time and you could clearly see a face peering out of the front room. It was definitely a face, not some indistinct blob that was a trick of the light on the windows.
So why the Southern Estate? I think it might be because of the Battle of Naseby, just a few miles to the south. The Royalists camped in the town before the battle, and when they were defeated they fled back to Harborough. The Roundheads pursued them and many Royalists were cut down as they were overtaken. There was great slaughter all the way to Harborough of the Royalists.
The fields that became Southern Estate would have been their route back to the town.
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 11, 2019 18:07:07 GMT
Seeing and hearing ghosts
These are very interesting accounts of possible supernatural contacts. I have had no such experiences myself and don’t know anyone who has, but many people have independently reported such phenomena.
This seems significant:
“I heard this first-hand from a very down to earth Scottish friend”
A Celtic heritage is said to make people more sensitive to other dimensions.
A ghost could be a kind of imprint that keeps on re-enacting the original tragedy.
Former battlegrounds and plague pits are just the sort of place where ghosts are said to congregate.
Not getting a proper burial might be one reason some of them are still here.
“I wonder if it's still haunted, or whether the removal of the old fabric of the building took the ghosts with it?”
It might depend on whether there are any bones or former belongings still around to anchor them here.
I mostly get my ideas from fiction books!
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Post by Lavendel on Jun 11, 2019 21:02:20 GMT
This topic is interesting that i have broken my break to join in. I am not able to write about royals as it is draining.
I was admitted to hospital shared a room with a girl. one year later she died. He partner invited me to her funeral. she wore black abd most people at the burial ground wore black. i was very sad because we spent days in hospital bed talking about her life.
When i came home that night i was crying alot. Suddenly i felt a cold breeze on my face. i felt a presence wipe my tears and comfort me. I thought this girl was with me. around my face the breeze increased and tickling. i slept in. The next morning i was fine. i talked to her Aunt and she told me she several people felt her this presence.
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Post by Lavendel on Jun 11, 2019 21:14:26 GMT
Since i experienced that presence ,i can recognise now when there is a presence of spirit or ghosts.
I dont fear spirits or ghosts as much as i used to.
This is because ghosts are present in some frequencies. If one is distraut one can tune in to some bad frequencies.
I went tthrough a time i could feel bad presence but now am in higher level i feel more friendly presence or comforting. In the distraut phase i felt presence of very strange energies.
i notice i sink into that since little alligator was born there is a bad energy which milking my energy. I feel very repelled by little alligator and parents because i have no energy to give them.
i am highly sensitive to other energies . I can talk more about this topic but i have not yet seen a ghosts but sence a presence
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Post by Lavendel on Jun 11, 2019 21:29:36 GMT
Like Radio frequencies we are able to tune into different frequencies and experience different things. When we are emotionaly burden, dna burdened or people send bad energies which block and burden us we move from reqular frequency to lower frequency in which evil ghosts, spirits dwell.
However when there they torment the soul, subotage, blind, block earing, and many other symptoms.
when we are in this frequency, we call on God, Jesus the energy of jesus, god lifts us to a higher frequency. in the higher frequency one sees beauty where one saw darkness, sadness etc.
However when we have people pulling energy out of our body we are in danger of sinking into lower frequency of hate, dispaire etc. The little alligators mother makes many sink into lower frequency. I notice after alligator was born my energy frequency went low and to protect myself from sinking even low, i avoid their stories.
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Post by Lavendel on Jun 11, 2019 21:34:11 GMT
My boyfriend comes from a family which hunted down evil cults and witches in the middle ages. The families frequency is very high.
Before i met him i was on a lower frequency and onces we talked i felt immediately better like a bad energy was removed. He was not aware of his impact. That energy of healing from bad energy runs in the family. Since then i was aware and started noticing many things which weighed me down were not important.
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Post by magpiejack on Jun 11, 2019 22:09:13 GMT
Those are all fascinating comments UnseenI and Lavendel! It's good to hear from you again Lavendel, I understand your having a break as we all need to protect ourselves from negative energies. I do think that ghosts are something like an imprint, a kind of video or sound recording when they are bound to a place. There are lots of hauntings of battlefields, and Naseby was said to rerun its battle in the sky on the anniversary for many years: "Reported less frequently now, but for one hundred years after the battle, locals would sit on the nearby hills and watch the battle occur once again, complete with the sounds of men screaming and cannons firing. A photograph taken by the Northampton Paranormal Group on this date in 2008 may show a phantom soldier, though nothing was seen when the image was taken." (From www.paranormaldatabase.com/reports/battlefields.php?pageNum_paradata=2&totalRows_paradata=99)I too have felt the presence of a spirit, that of my beloved grandmother. The morning that she died, I tried to feel sad and to grieve, but I felt such a warm glow around me as if she was saying to me that all was well. A few months later I was trying to think of the names of her favourite three Westie dogs (she used to breed them), I got to Sally and Katie and struggled to remember the third, then I heard her voice as clear as a bell in my head - "It was Wendy"! That is so good Lavendel that you have a partner who is a natural healer and raises your energies, what an interesting family background.
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 12, 2019 7:56:31 GMT
Hello Lavendel. This is all fascinating. I have no similar experiences of my own to report. I agree about bad energy and negative energy. Some places have a very bad atmosphere. High and low frequencies are familiar too. I do believe that some people are much more sensitive to subtle energies than others are. This has got me thinking a lot about fictional ghosts, which is not what this thread is about!
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Post by magpiejack on Jun 12, 2019 16:12:54 GMT
This has got me thinking a lot about fictional ghosts, which is not what this thread is about! That's a fascinating topic in itself! I love Dicken's ghost stories, apparently he was scared witless with ghost stories as a child by his 14 year old nanny, she must have been an excellent storyteller. I watch the 1976 adaptation of The Signalman every now and then, especially around Christmas time which I think should always be celebrated with a spooky tale, even though the picture quality is a bit grainy it's still creepy.
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 12, 2019 18:32:50 GMT
All kinds of ghost-related leads and memories from books are pouring into my mind now.
We have mentioned Dr. John Dee elsewhere; he is said to have gone in for necromancy.
I vaguely remember some SF story where he conjured up the spirit of Cleopatra for Elizabeth I so that she could see which one of them was the more beautiful. Dee and the Queen picked her appearance to pieces, he out of flattery and she out of jealousy!
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 12, 2019 18:33:59 GMT
Is the Greenwich Foot Tunnel haunted?
I first mentioned the Greenwich Foot Tunnel, built in 1902 to get dockworkers to their workplaces, in the thread about the attractions of London: “The Greenwich Foot Tunnel goes under the Thames, linking Greenwich with the Isle of Dogs. You go in the domed entrance and down via a spiral staircase or a lift. I would not go through it alone at night.” I said that because it is echoing and looks creepy and it would be asking for trouble when there are so many attacks on people. I have since learned that the tunnel is said to be haunted. A couple in Victorian clothes have been mentioned. It is worth remembering that people benefit from these rumours, especially those who conduct ‘ghost tours’ in London. On the other hand, these big digging and construction projects often meant disturbing the remains of many people. Then there were the construction workers who died...
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Post by magpiejack on Jun 12, 2019 19:13:52 GMT
Is the Greenwich Foot Tunnel haunted?
I first mentioned the Greenwich Foot Tunnel, built in 1902 to get dockworkers to their workplaces, in the thread about the attractions of London: “The Greenwich Foot Tunnel goes under the Thames, linking Greenwich with the Isle of Dogs. You go in the domed entrance and down via a spiral staircase or a lift. I would not go through it alone at night.” I said that because it is echoing and looks creepy and it would be asking for trouble when there are so many attacks on people. I have since learned that the tunnel is said to be haunted. A couple in Victorian clothes have been mentioned. It is worth remembering that people benefit from these rumours, especially those who conduct ‘ghost tours’ in London. On the other hand, these big digging and construction projects often meant disturbing the remains of many people. Then there were the construction workers who died... There's something otherworldly about being underground. My cycle route into work takes me through a disused railway tunnel, it gave me the creeps when I first started going through it, I kept thinking that I'd have a ghost train hurtling towards me, but I think nothing of it now. Heavens knows how many navvies were killed in the construction of the railways and tunnels, no Health and Safety rules in those days. I've been through Eurotunnel a few times simply because it's quick, but it gives me the creeps - millions of gallons of water right above me... Have you heard of the fogous in Cornwall? It's not known what they were for, but they don't contain burials; they may have been simply cold food stores, but some believe that they were for death/rebirth rituals and someone was shut in there for a day or two for the ritual burial experience. www.earthhomesnow.com/images/fogou-uk.jpg(Darnit! Still can't get pictures to load!) Going back to London, one programme I've seen a couple of times is Ghosts on the Underground. Not to be watched late at night when you're on your own!
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 13, 2019 7:08:24 GMT
Ghosts and tunnels
You seem to be attracted to tunnels and underground areas in general magpiejack! This has reminded me of a relevant thread on the old CC forum. I will see if I can find my posts. I would be afraid of real people in that disused railway tunnel, not ghost trains! I have never heard of Cornish forgous. However, the idea that there is life after death and ghosts who must be appeased has been around for a very long time.
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 13, 2019 19:08:56 GMT
Richard III and some ghosts
The scene in Sir Laurence Olivier’s film where Richard is attacked by the ghosts of people whose deaths he is responsible for really frightened me the first time I saw it: “Tomorrow in the battle think on me, And fall thy edgeless sword. Despair, and die!”
Now Richard III’s ghost has appeared in Leicester cathedral - or so some people believe. “The spooky snaps were taken in Leicester Cathedral by medium and psychic artist Christine Hamlett, 58, who is convinced she sensed the murdered monarch's presence in the historic building. Richard, who has often been vilified in history, was re-interred there in March after his remains were discovered nearby in 2012. Christine, who visited the cathedral as a tourist, said: 'I felt totally calm inside the cathedral - I could feel a calming presence and I think it might have been Richard. I always take pictures and send out my thoughts when I visit places and when I looked back at the pictures of the slabs afterwards I was stunned - I saw Richard's face staring back at me.'” www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/465888/Ghost-sighting-stories-photos-Richard-III-Leicester-cathedralThat should help to bring the tourists in!
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Post by magpiejack on Jun 14, 2019 14:41:27 GMT
Ghosts and tunnels
You seem to be attracted to tunnels and underground areas in general magpiejack ! This has reminded me of a relevant thread on the old CC forum. I will see if I can find my posts. I would be afraid of real people in that disused railway tunnel, not ghost trains! I have never heard of Cornish forgous. However, the idea that there is life after death and ghosts who must be appeased has been around for a very long time. I don't know about attracted, they give me the creeps to some extent, but I find the ideas fascinating about humans being underground. There's the strong association with burial, of being in a between-worlds place; it's not an environment that we are supposed to be in. I added the video as it is one of the best and creepiest ghost documentaries that I have ever seen. Funnily enough, a colleague told me yesterday that there were people sleeping rough in the tunnel that I cycle through but he thought that they had been moved on. They must have been, I've never seen any. It's either an off-road bike ride that takes me through the tunnel or a very busy A-road - I think I would have vanished from this forum long ago if I went along the road! The photo of 'Richard III' made me smile - I think that's wishful thinking. Richard had slim, sharp features and the supposed ghost looked far too pudgy and jowly! It does look too distinctly like a face though; if it's a trick of the light, it's a brilliant one. Maybe it's a long-forgotten Leicester bigwig wanting to make his presence known.
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 14, 2019 18:39:23 GMT
“The photo of 'Richard III made me smile - I think that's wishful thinking.” I agree that there is a lot of delusion, self-deception and wishful thinking not to mention ignorance, genuine mistakes and misunderstandings when it comes to ‘evidence’ of seeing ghosts. I watched a ghost-hunter programme or two on TV ages ago and was very unimpressed. I cringed with embarrassment on behalf of people who were making fools of themselves! “I find the ideas fascinating about humans being underground.” When it comes to tunnels and the underworld in general, I have remembered some good and bad associations that do not involve ghosts. Some of them are very fascinating indeed. Maybe we need a new thread. Avacyn do you remember when we were suggesting locations for the elite? I still have my CC posts. In Greek mythology, the ghosts or shades lived underground in the realm of Pluto or Hades.
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 14, 2019 18:41:41 GMT
Ghosts on the underground
That video is well worth watching. The people with tales to tell were not selling anything nor were they seeking publicity.
People dying suddenly and unexpectedly, often horribly and violently, as an explanation for the ghosts makes sense, as does the disturbance of burial grounds.
I don’t envy the men who have to lock up and do patrol walks after the trains stop running. I suspect that being underground alone in a dim light may trigger some very primitive instincts, the sort that fear of a cave bear or similar huge predator might once have generated. This could be attributed to the presence of a ghost.
I have done shift work and night work, and it can have strange side effects. It could also be said that this is what makes the workers able to see and sense these things.
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Post by magpiejack on Jun 15, 2019 15:03:38 GMT
Fielding Johnson Hospital, Leicester (Not a new post, just trying to add an image!) I thought I'd reawaken this thread and share a spooky story! This is no longer a hospital, but my mum worked there for many years and it was haunted. These were accounts from some very down to earth, no-nonsense nurses (my mum included). In the 70s and 80s it was a part private, part NHS hospital. Previously it had been a pre-war maternity hospital. With the type of treatment and care it provided, no children were admitted unless they were at least teenage. Every Good Friday staff would hear a baby crying in the area of the lift, and I heard this first-hand from a very down to earth Scottish friend and colleague of my mum, who looked me in the eye and said "I've heard the baby cry". One patient on the top floor became hysterical one night, and when staff calmed her down she said that a woman in a white nightdress came into the room, walked to the window and jumped out. No body was found outside, and the story was that a woman had killed herself long ago after her baby died. Staff would have a half hour break when on nights, they would go and have a kip in comfy chairs and many said that they felt icy hands on their neck. The building was demolished except the facade, as that was listed, and offices were constructed behind. I wonder if it's still haunted, or whether the removal of the old fabric of the building took the ghosts with it?
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 16, 2019 7:33:14 GMT
Fiction books about ghosts again
Your Ghosts on the Underground video mentions the King William Street Station tube tunnel. The first book in the Shades of London series recommended by Avacyn mentions that tunnel. I prefer the Lockwood series that I mentioned, but the other books have a lot about underground tunnels in London. Another difference is that not all their ghosts are evil. The now disused King William Street Station:
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Post by Avacyn on Jun 18, 2019 6:51:47 GMT
“The photo of 'Richard III made me smile - I think that's wishful thinking.” Avacyn do you remember when we were suggesting locations for the elite? I still have my CC posts. Could you please refresh my meory? I kind of remember, but it's rather fuzzy. Wasn't Valkyrie involved in thhat discussion?
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