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Post by UnseenI on Apr 20, 2020 7:26:07 GMT
aletheia said this at the time of George Bush Senior’s death at the age of 94 in 2018: “Mr. Kissinger is 95 not out too – strange how several of these elites, in such high-octane positions for most of their lives, are living on well into their Nineties.” I replied, “It would be interesting to draw up a list some time.” That time is now! I decided to start this thread after realising that Sir Evelyn de Rothschild will reach the age of 90 in August 2021. It is certainly unusual for people, men in particular, to live to such a great age. Good genes, good food, healthy habits and the best medical care that money can buy could be the reason, but there may be more sinister explanations.
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Post by UnseenI on Apr 20, 2020 7:26:34 GMT
Two Princes of interest
Prince Philip was born in June 1921, so is currently 98 years old.
Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands lived to the age of 93.
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Post by UnseenI on Apr 21, 2020 7:06:39 GMT
Three men from a family of interest
Edmund Leopold de Rothschild lived to the age of 93.
Elie de Rothschild lived to the age of 90.
Guy de Rothschild lived to be 98.
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Post by aletheia on Apr 22, 2020 17:33:13 GMT
A political giant who lived well into his nineties was President Robert Mugabe (95) who became one of the icons of African independence after coming to power in Zimbabwe in 1980.
He died on 6th September 2019, roughly two years after he was forced into resignation after a coup d'état in 2017.
The iconic anti-apartheid revolutionary President Nelson Mandela also lived to 95.
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Post by UnseenI on Apr 22, 2020 19:04:43 GMT
Those are excellent examples of the sort of people who are of interest here.
Is it the power, the fame...?
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Post by UnseenI on Apr 23, 2020 17:34:33 GMT
Sir John Tenniel: one for the good guys' team.
Sir John Tenniel died three days short of his 94th birthday. Here is his illustration for one of Lewis Carroll’s rhymes:
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Post by UnseenI on May 7, 2020 18:57:03 GMT
George Soros will soon qualify
George Soros will be 90 in August. This is how some people see him:
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Post by UnseenI on Jul 11, 2020 8:13:06 GMT
Three for Prince Charles
From a post about Prince Charles’s mentors and cronies in the Royal Façade thread:
“It is interesting that both Armand Hammer and John Latsis were 92 years old when they died, and Laurens van der Post was 90.”
The first two have very bad reputations and van der Post was a bit of a fraud.
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 3, 2020 19:16:24 GMT
The Duke of Connaught lived to the age of 91
Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught and Strathearn was the seventh child and third son of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert. He has been mentioned previously in connection with some fancy dress costumes he wore and as the Governor General of Canada. He died in 1942, a few months short of his 92nd birthday. He seems to have been a decent sort of man. I wonder how he managed to live to such a great age. His brother Edward VII died at the age of 68 and his other brother Prince Leopold was only 30.
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 28, 2020 18:53:53 GMT
Science Fiction writer Frederik Pohl lived to 93
Not everyone who lives to a great age is a member of the evil Illuminati! The great science fiction writer Frederik Pohl almost reached the age of 94. He was the last survivor from the Golden Age. He was a smoker too!
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 29, 2020 18:52:17 GMT
Ronald Searle reached the age of 91
Ronald Searle is best known for his cartoons, St. Trinian’s in particular, but he was also a sculptor, designer and illustrator. He was incarcerated for more than three years in a Japanese prisoner of war camp where conditions were terrible, but he survived the horrors and still lived to a great age.
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Post by UnseenI on Nov 1, 2020 19:25:25 GMT
Stanley Baxter is 94 years old
Scottish comedian Stanley Baxter appeared in some royal threads because he has played the Queen on TV. He is highlighted here because he reached his 94th birthday in May. Some very typical pictures:
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Post by UnseenI on Nov 6, 2020 19:20:46 GMT
Clint Eastwood is 90
It is definitely not just sinister and evil people who live to a great age. Actor Clint Eastwood celebrated his 90th birthday in May this year. I had no idea that he was anything like as old as that. In his early twenties and late eighties:
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Post by UnseenI on Nov 7, 2020 19:26:30 GMT
Sean Connery has died at the age of 90
Sean Connery died on October 31st. I had no idea that he had reached the age of 90. Rip Van Winkle has been featured on the Sussexes thread. Recent articles and reports of deaths make me feel as though I have been asleep for many years myself. I know how Rip felt when he woke up to find that 20 years had passed! Everyone is much older than I thought they were. Old films are frequently shown on TV. Perhaps constantly seeing images of actors as they used to be makes us expect them to have stayed the same. I was never much of a fan, but I liked him in The Man Who Would Be King (1975) and The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (2003):
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Post by Tsar on Nov 7, 2020 23:20:05 GMT
It always surprises me how shocked everyone is when a famous person in their 80s or 90s dies - social media is always flooded with shocked messages about it, like when Connery died the other day. We may worship them like gods but celebrities are humans!
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Post by UnseenI on Nov 8, 2020 8:33:08 GMT
“It always surprises me how shocked everyone is when a famous person in their 80s or 90s dies”
In other words, we subconsciously expect them to have not only eternal youth but also eternal life!
Conversely, when a celebrity death is announced some people react by saying that they didn't know that X was still alive – they thought he had died ages ago!
None of this helps to explain why these men lived for so long. Maybe it really is just luck and good genes.
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Post by Tsar on Nov 8, 2020 23:11:20 GMT
Yes, the Mandela effect. There are many people who have memories of him dying years before he actually did! There's definitely something strange about that; maybe it deserves its own thread.
As for why they lived so long, genes will be part of it. Many of them have lived from cradle to grave in relative ease with access to the best healthcare, health advice, and nutrition. I would back some pampered, caviar-scoffing royal to live to 100 over a builder whose body is 70% lager.
Of course, there are people famous and not famous who abuse their bodies their whole lives and yet die in their 90s after a life of good health. Luck - or perhaps providence - plays a role too.
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Post by UnseenI on Nov 9, 2020 8:31:06 GMT
I was thinking more of just assuming that someone must have died because they had not been mentioned in the media for a long while rather than remembering seeing reports of their death! I have heard of the Mandela Effect; it is a very interesting topic I but can't think of any false memories of my own.
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Post by UnseenI on Nov 10, 2020 19:37:22 GMT
Geoffrey Palmer died at 93
Actor Geoffrey Palmer died a few days ago; he was 93 years old. I mainly know him from the old TV sitcom The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin, in which he played Reggie's brother-in-law Jimmy:
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Post by UnseenI on Nov 13, 2020 19:44:49 GMT
Captain Kirk and 'Kirkus'
William Shatner will be 90 next March. For me, he is primarily Captain Kirk: Kirk Douglas lived to the age of 103! He died earlier this year. For me, he is primarily Spartacus and I always think of him as 'Kirkus':
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Post by UnseenI on Nov 16, 2020 8:00:29 GMT
Christopher Lee died at 93
I always thought that there was something rather sinister about Christopher Lee – and I don't mean his performance as Dracula! His personality seemed rather unpleasant. He gave a very good performance in The Wicker Man (1973), in which at one point he appeared as a Druid priestess with long hair and a long dress:
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Post by UnseenI on Nov 26, 2020 19:41:35 GMT
Otto von Habsburg died at 98
Franz Joseph Otto Robert Maria Anton Karl Max Heinrich Sixtus Xavier Felix Renatus Ludwig Gaetan Pius Ignatius von Habsburg (1912 to 2011), known as Otto von Habsburg ), was the son of the last emperor of Austria and a champion of European unity. Prince Otto in 1936, and at the European Parliament in 2007 on his 95th birthday:
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Post by UnseenI on Nov 29, 2020 8:15:04 GMT
More long-lived Habsburgs
Prince Otto's mother Empress Zita was almost 97 when she died in 1989. Empress Zita produced 8 children, so the theory that having many children shortens women's lives doesn't apply in her case. Her three daughters died at 57, 68 and 70, so the theory that women are more likely than men to reach the age of 90 doesn't apply to this family. Otto's brother Rudolf Syringus lived to be 90, and his brother Felix lived to 95. The widowed Empress Zita in exile with her 8 children in 1924:
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Otto von Habsburg died at 98
Franz Joseph Otto Robert Maria Anton Karl Max Heinrich Sixtus Xavier Felix Renatus Ludwig Gaetan Pius Ignatius von Habsburg (1912 to 2011), known as Otto von Habsburg ), was the son of the last emperor of Austria and a champion of European unity. A man after my own heart!
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 4, 2020 8:21:48 GMT
Otto von Habsburg, Ian Paisley and the Pope
Archduke Otto was an MEP. In 1988 he was involved in an incident in which the Reverend Ian Paisley heckled the Pope in the EU parliament. From Wiki: “During his time in the European Parliament, he was involved in a fracas with fellow MEP Ian Paisley, a unionist Protestant pastor from Northern Ireland. In 1988, Pope John Paul II had just begun a speech to the Parliament when Paisley, a vehement anti-Catholic, shouted that the Pope was the Antichrist, and held up a poster reading "Pope John Paul II Antichrist". Otto snatched Paisley's banner and, along with other MEPs, ejected him from the chamber.” There are stories that Otto actually punched Ian Paisley, but these could be exaggerations. Ian Paisley made it to 88; Pope John Paul II almost made 85. In my opinion, anyone who says that the Pope is the Antichrist can't be all bad!
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Post by Tsar on Dec 4, 2020 23:19:47 GMT
I have mixed views on Paisley. The anti-Irish stuff was hysterical and undoubtedly fed into a highly polarised, volatile environment in which Catholics were discriminated against in jobs and housing. And he was either very ignorant of or had completely misunderstood Ulster's history, which didn't begin when the Protestants were so kind as to land on her shores.
On the other hand, he did mellow towards the end of his life, and no one can doubt that he absolutely loved his community. And he was authentic, he meant and believed everything he said, which is a very rare - and very admirable - trait in public figures. It's hard not to find something likeable in him.
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 5, 2020 8:35:51 GMT
The Reverend Ian Paisley: 88 is close to 90!
“...he was authentic, he meant and believed everything he said...” I am guessing that this sincerity is what I picked up; this is what made me like him – in addition to his frequent references to the Devil! From Wiki: “When Princess Margaret and the Queen Mother met Pope John XXII in 1958, Paisley condemned them for 'committing spiritual fornication and adultery with the Antichrist.' When Pope John died in June 1963, Paisley announced to a crowd of followers that "this Romish man of sin is now in Hell!".
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Post by Tsar on Dec 6, 2020 23:51:12 GMT
Regardless of his beliefs, the biggest compliment I can pay him is that his straight, direct talking, take-no-prisoners attitude, and iron resolve marked him out as a quintessential Ulsterman. And there's no higher praise than that.
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 13, 2020 19:09:18 GMT
Sake Dean Mahomed (1759-1851) aka 'Doctor Brighton'
Sake Dean Mahomed is in the Sussexes thread because of his connections with the town of Brighton, where he became known as Doctor Brighton the shampooing surgeon and was popular with several royals. He was born in India and emigrated to the UK. He was a very enterprising, ambitious man who can be thought of as a Regency era entrepreneur. He was a writer, restaurateur and traveller. He died at the age of 91 or 92. Could his baths and other medical practices be responsible for his long life? In Indian dress circa 1825 and the clothes of an English gentleman circa 1794:
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Post by UnseenI on Jan 18, 2021 20:16:04 GMT
Mel Brooks is 94
Mel Brooks, American director, writer, actor, comedian, producer and composer, will be 95 years old in June. Many of his award-winning parody and black comedy films have become classics: As King Louis XIV in History of the World Part I and an Indian chief in Blazing Saddles:
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