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Post by Avacyn on Sept 11, 2023 6:41:16 GMT
Recognising a Mason
“...they are everywhere. I know my local NHS Hospital Trust has a number of high ranking managers and executives being members, there is at least one in my department who is one. They don't know that I know, to be clear.” This is fascinating. Unfortunately, the days when I worked with many people ended long before I became interested in the Brethren. I could have been surrounded by them, but I would never have known this. My only experience of knowing that someone was a Mason was on a bus some years ago. Two men got on and sat in front of me. I felt very uncomfortable as there was something very odd about them. I think that one was Italian. They wore dark suits and carried small square leather cases – probably their aprons etc. were inside. I knew what they were because I heard them mention the 2nd degree and they talked about Freemasons' Hall in Great Queen Street. I think that they were on their way there. I intended to go on one of the guided tours of this building, but COVID intervened. This might interest you: Once you start to go up the ranks, I think you change. There is a definite vibe in those higher up in the totem pole. I have noticed this in people, and this is from before working in the NHS. I had slight, brief dealings with Freemasons in the past, and there was a dark and Creepy energy to them.
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Post by Avacyn on Sept 11, 2023 6:48:40 GMT
Prince Charles and royal attitudes to Freemasonry
I said this more than two years ago: “I looked for patterns among the princes and kings who were/were not Freemasons but couldn't see anything. Both groups include men who expected to become king and men who did not.” I have recently found something interesting online to add to this. There are three possible attitudes to Freemasonry: being in favour, being anti, and not much caring one way or the other. Prince Philip was an example of a man in the middle: he was caught between his future father-in-law George VI who wanted him to become a Mason and his uncle Lord Mountbatten, who is said to have been fiercely opposed to the Brotherhood, who wanted him to stay out. Philip did join, but he didn't take it at all seriously. He soon forgot all about it and had no further involvement. Prince Charles was influenced by his father's attitude of indifference, and even more so by his mentor Lord Mountbatten's negative views. The Queen Mother, although she had been married to a passionate Mason, was also a major influence against joining: she was one of the people mentioned earlier who believe that Freemasonry and the Anglican Church are incompatible. Prince Charles has held out against much pressure to join over the decades: “It was assumed by high Masons that when Charles reached his twenty-first birthday in 1969, he would be initiated and take over from the Duke of Kent. He refused to be pressed into doing so, and when approached he gave an emphatic 'No', adding, ' I do not want to join any secret society.'” erenow.net/common/the-brotherhood-the-secret-world-of-the-freemasons/24.phpAll this helps to explain why the power and top jobs passed to the Kent brothers. If he can dress like this, it can't be the Masonic costumes that put him off: I just realised something... we have not really worked out when the Royals first became Freemasons. This might be an important bit of information. Mountbatten was a gangster type, and I can see him not liking Freemasons. They would have been against his sensibilities. In addition to what Charles said, we have this to consider: The time he wore a mask that was eerily similar to one of the masks in Eyes Wide Shut... So what circles does he travel in?
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 11, 2023 17:07:39 GMT
Two Kaisers said ja, one said nein
You said this in connection with Andrew Carnegie's attempt to broker a peace deal with Kaiser Wilhelm II and avoid a major war: “Interesting what happened to the one person in the equation who was not a Mason... which does raise an eyebrow.“ Kaiser Wilhelm II was not only not a mason, he was very anti Freemasonry. This may seem strange, as he was said to idolise his grandfather Wilhelm I, who was a Mason. His father Kaiser Frederick III was an ardent Freemason too. The reasons for Kaiser Wilhelm's dislike of Freemasonry will need to be worded carefully! Kaiser Wilhelm I in his Masonic regalia:
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Post by Avacyn on Sept 12, 2023 6:52:00 GMT
I need to have a little ponder on this. You might have stumbled onto something here.
I also need to look at the Russian royal family... what was their stance on Freemasonry? Because given what happened... it could be interesting to find out.
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 12, 2023 17:00:45 GMT
A summary of British monarchs who were Freemasons
First came James VI of Scotland/James I of England, who was a Scottish Mason. George IV and William IV came next, later followed by Edward VII and his grandsons Edward VIII and George VI. That's all folks! James I – that looks a little like the lion's paw signal:
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 12, 2023 17:03:12 GMT
Good ones and bad ones
“I had slight, brief dealings with Freemasons in the past, and there was a dark and Creepy energy to them.” The two who sat in front of me on the bus definitely had some dark energy; it was sort of oily. They seemed to exist on another dimension, oblivious of what was going on around them. I am sure that there are many Masons who are decent human beings though – maybe at the lower levels! These Merry Masons don't look evil; they remind me of a barbershop quartet:
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Post by Avacyn on Sept 14, 2023 6:55:26 GMT
A summary of British monarchs who were Freemasons
First came James VI of Scotland/James I of England, who was a Scottish Mason. George IV and William IV came next, later followed by Edward VII and his grandsons Edward VIII and George VI. That's all folks! James I – that looks a little like the lion's paw signal: The big thing to remember, is that the Freemasons were infiltrated by the Bavarian Illuminati, so we can focus less on James VI/I, as he would have been part if the old establishment. The old establishment still needs to be looked at, but the modern day establishment has too many dark energy types, shall we say, and we need to know their agenda better. Interesting how few Royals have been Masons, mind you. Hopefully this is a very positive sign.
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Post by Avacyn on Sept 14, 2023 6:57:45 GMT
Good ones and bad ones
“I had slight, brief dealings with Freemasons in the past, and there was a dark and Creepy energy to them.” The two who sat in front of me on the bus definitely had some dark energy; it was sort of oily. They seemed to exist on another dimension, oblivious of what was going on around them. I am sure that there are many Masons who are decent human beings though – maybe at the lower levels! These Merry Masons don't look evil; they remind me of a barbershop quartet: The bottom level is where you will find the most decent people, I would argue. They will likely be there to make business connections and the like.
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 14, 2023 17:41:41 GMT
Some points for consideration
“I need to have a little ponder on this.”
Taking time out to review the material is a good idea. There are many points to consider.
I get all my information online and post it in good faith. However, speculation, rumours, Chinese whispers and hearsay are often presented as established fact, and information that has been debunked and discredited is still being passed on and circulated. We need to be careful about what to believe.
Research is time-consuming and we don't want to reinvent the wheel, but if any issues seem particularly interesting or important there is no harm in looking into them.
So far, one issue that has been raised is of why some monarchs and other royals are or are not Masons. King George V for example was a patron of three Masonic institutions and was surrounded by Masons in his immediate family, yet he was never initiated into the Craft.
The role of Masons in supporting or destroying various monarchies is another topic of interest. They are said to have played a major role in the success of the American, French and Russian revolutions.
Then there is their relationship to religion. There are some unexpected elements here in terms of which major religions support Masonry and which ones do not.
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Post by Avacyn on Sept 18, 2023 6:57:25 GMT
Some points for consideration
“I need to have a little ponder on this.” Taking time out to review the material is a good idea. There are many points to consider. I get all my information online and post it in good faith. However, speculation, rumours, Chinese whispers and hearsay are often presented as established fact, and information that has been debunked and discredited is still being passed on and circulated. We need to be careful about what to believe. Research is time-consuming and we don't want to reinvent the wheel, but if any issues seem particularly interesting or important there is no harm in looking into them. So far, one issue that has been raised is of why some monarchs and other royals are or are not Masons. King George V for example was a patron of three Masonic institutions and was surrounded by Masons in his immediate family, yet he was never initiated into the Craft. The role of Masons in supporting or destroying various monarchies is another topic of interest. They are said to have played a major role in the success of the American, French and Russian revolutions. Then there is their relationship to religion. There are some unexpected elements here in terms of which major religions support Masonry and which ones do not. The American Revolution is more to do with a notion the old school Masons had, which was creating a new Atlantis. And when you look at the Masonic designs of Washington DC, you realise that there has to be something in that claim. The French Revolution is harder to fathom, and it should be noted that the Bavarian Illuminati are also blamed for causing the French Revolution. Which is something I find rather interesting in itself. George V having Masonic connections is interesting, because it means another monarch in the mix. And when you look at it, it is basically when the alleged infiltration of the Masons had occurred, the British Royal Family starts to affiliate with them. I will have to carry on later, as it is work now, and I was distracted by the snake in the canteen.
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 18, 2023 15:56:59 GMT
Snake in the canteen!
“I was distracted by the snake in the canteen.” What is the story? Was it one of those huge pale ones that you were interested in a while back? Is this a new emergency food source? Snake, chips and peas? Maybe it is some kind of a warning to you from the reptilian Illuminati to stop thinking about Freemasons!
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 18, 2023 15:58:26 GMT
Rothschild Masons and King Edward VII
Some members of the Rothschild family were Freemasons from 1802, and others later established two masonic lodges in Buckinghamshire. Ferdinand de Rothschild Lodge No. 242 was established in Aylesbury in 1892. Concordia Lodge 2492 was consecrated in 1893 at Wendover. Both lodges are still active. Some members of this family were great friends with the future Edward VII, who visited them in Buckinghamshire. It is possible that the then Prince of Wales took the teachings of equality to heart as such fraternisation had not previously been acceptable. Note the three occurrences of the Rothschild symbol of the five arrows on the F de R 242 badge:
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Post by Avacyn on Sept 21, 2023 6:59:03 GMT
Snake in the canteen!
“I was distracted by the snake in the canteen.” What is the story? Was it one of those huge pale ones that you were interested in a while back? Is this a new emergency food source? Snake, chips and peas? Maybe it is some kind of a warning to you from the reptilian Illuminati to stop thinking about Freemasons! Funny you should talk about food shortages, as there has been supplier issues a couple of weeks ago. There was no immediate disruption, as there are continuity plans for such things. But what had happened was a coworker was getting water from the machine, and managed to look down and see a snake. I saw the end half of it, so thought it was just a slowworm. If I had seen the head, I would have had a different response, because what it was was a baby adder. That livened up the morning.
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 21, 2023 17:15:06 GMT
Queen Victoria and King Edward VII
None of Queen Victoria's closest political advisers was a Freemason or particularly sympathetic towards the Craft. It seems that she was not very keen on them either.
It speaks for itself that Edward the then Prince of Wales was initiated in Sweden and informed his mother of this only after the event had taken place.
When two of Edward's brothers were later initiated, Queen Victoria expressed annoyance that they had not consulted her first.
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Post by Avacyn on Sept 30, 2023 6:28:12 GMT
Rothschild Masons and King Edward VII
Some members of the Rothschild family were Freemasons from 1802, and others later established two masonic lodges in Buckinghamshire. Ferdinand de Rothschild Lodge No. 242 was established in Aylesbury in 1892. Concordia Lodge 2492 was consecrated in 1893 at Wendover. Both lodges are still active. Some members of this family were great friends with the future Edward VII, who visited them in Buckinghamshire. It is possible that the then Prince of Wales took the teachings of equality to heart as such fraternisation had not previously been acceptable. Note the three occurrences of the Rothschild symbol of the five arrows on the F de R 242 badge: I really feel that we are chipping away at the tip of the iceberg here. I also find it interesting that we now have a Rothschild connection, which makes me wonder if we need to start paying much more attention to them. Then again, didn't they have a massive auction for a numbernof their possessions lately?
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Post by Avacyn on Sept 30, 2023 6:31:49 GMT
Queen Victoria and King Edward VII
None of Queen Victoria's closest political advisers was a Freemason or particularly sympathetic towards the Craft. It seems that she was not very keen on them either. It speaks for itself that Edward the then Prince of Wales was initiated in Sweden and informed his mother of this only after the event had taken place. When two of Edward's brothers were later initiated, Queen Victoria expressed annoyance that they had not consulted her first. It is fascinating how much resistance there has been to Freemasonry in the Royal Family. And why initiate in Sweden? That is some distance - did he have to travel that far to avoid his mother's notice?
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 30, 2023 18:56:40 GMT
The initiation of Edward VII
“And why initiate in Sweden? That is some distance - did he have to travel that far to avoid his mother's notice?” The then Prince of Wales was initiated by King Charles XV of Sweden and Norway, who was assisted by his brother Prince Oscar. One explanation is that it was a diplomatic way of avoiding contention among English lodges for the honour of initiating the future king. He knew and liked the country, and also went there to shoot elk:
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 2, 2023 18:06:36 GMT
Becoming a Mason in the world of today
“You cannot simply sign a form, and then you are in. You need to have a nomination. And you need to have some wealth to you, preferably a business. You essentially need standing, and in this day and age no-one young is in that position. So we now have one reason why their membership numbers are in such decline. They have unrealistic standards that cannot be upheld in the modern day.” Yes, indeed. 'Adapt or die' is the name of the game. How many younger people meet their requirements – or would even want to now that there are no young royals to attract them to the Craft? I found something of interest on the Grand Lodge's website: “There are several ways to become a Freemason. If you don’t know anyone who is a member and that you can talk to, then your first step is to contact your nearest Lodge...” www.ugle.org.uk/become-freemason/how-to-join-freemasonry
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Post by Avacyn on Oct 10, 2023 15:48:52 GMT
The initiation of Edward VII
“And why initiate in Sweden? That is some distance - did he have to travel that far to avoid his mother's notice?” The then Prince of Wales was initiated by King Charles XV of Sweden and Norway, who was assisted by his brother Prince Oscar. One explanation is that it was a diplomatic way of avoiding contention among English lodges for the honour of initiating the future king. He knew and liked the country, and also went there to shoot elk: This means that we have more than one royal family with Masons in them. Interesting that Sweden has had Masonic royals, given everything going on in that country. How many countries have royal Masons?
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Post by Avacyn on Oct 10, 2023 15:50:10 GMT
Becoming a Mason in the world of today
“You cannot simply sign a form, and then you are in. You need to have a nomination. And you need to have some wealth to you, preferably a business. You essentially need standing, and in this day and age no-one young is in that position. So we now have one reason why their membership numbers are in such decline. They have unrealistic standards that cannot be upheld in the modern day.” Yes, indeed. 'Adapt or die' is the name of the game. How many younger people meet their requirements – or would even want to now that there are no young royals to attract them to the Craft? I found something of interest on the Grand Lodge's website: “There are several ways to become a Freemason. If you don’t know anyone who is a member and that you can talk to, then your first step is to contact your nearest Lodge...” www.ugle.org.uk/become-freemason/how-to-join-freemasonry Still wanting me to take one for the team, I see...
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Post by UnseenI on Oct 14, 2023 17:39:33 GMT
More about royal Swedish masonry
“Interesting that Sweden has had Masonic royals...” “In 1796 a Royal Decree enacted that in future all Swedish Princes were by right of birth Freemasons and a Decree against secret societies in 1803 made a Special exception of the Craft. The whole Swedish system has, indeed, been to a large extent under the control of the Royal Family. On the application of the Duke of Sudermania, in 1788, a fraternal alliance was consummated between the Grand Lodges of England and Sweden, and mutual representatives appointed.“ masonicshop.com/encyclopedia/topics/entry/?i=1397Maybe it was this connection that influenced Edward, Prince of Wales. He was initiated in Sweden in 1868; he also visited Sweden in 1864. He is at Gothenburg railway station here:
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