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Post by UnseenI on May 7, 2019 6:23:09 GMT
They were small and didn’t last very long. It does seem like a joke, but there are many strange rituals going on.
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Post by UnseenI on May 16, 2021 18:17:52 GMT
Prince Michael of Kent
I wonder whether the recent allegations have affected his standing within the craft.
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Post by UnseenI on May 31, 2021 7:07:21 GMT
Freemasonry and the royals: controversial views
There is an aspect to this that I didn't think of in the past. As mentioned elsewhere, Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby has been criticised for permitting special services of thanksgiving for and accepting large financial donations from Freemasons for refurbishment of two cathedrals on the grounds that Freemasonry and Anglican Christianity are not compatible. Some critics even suggest that Freemasonry is evil. This view seems rather late in the day considering the relationship between the royals and the Craft over the centuries. I am confused; if Masonry and the Church are incompatible as Justin Welby's predecessor Rowan Williams believes, why do so many royals become Freemasons? I looked for patterns among the princes and kings who were/were not Freemasons but couldn't see anything. Both groups include men who expected to become king and men who did not. Kings and brothers Edward VIII and George VI for example were both Masons and Heads of the Church of England:
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Post by UnseenI on Jun 2, 2021 7:03:27 GMT
The Duke of Kent and the Rose Croix
The Rose Croix is one of the group of Masonic orders that are commonly known as the Christian Orders. Membership is restricted to those who avow the Christian faith. Rose Croix is also known as the Scottish Rite, and there appears to be a connection to the Rosicrucians. The Duke of Kent in Rose Croix regalia and the Rose Cross symbol similar to the one on the cap:
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Post by UnseenI on Jul 16, 2023 18:17:20 GMT
Royal masons and the Palace Lodge
“Let us not forget the Masonic Lodge that was in Buckingham Palace a number of years back, too...” There is little to add to the existing information on this thread, but things have changed since the last post: Prince Philip is no longer around to support the craft. The Duke of Kent still heads the UGLE, but he is now 87 years old. King Charles is not a mason. I doubt whether any of the younger royals will join. As for the lodge associated with the Palace: “Mulberry Lodge No 9834 was formed in 2007 for Freemasons who work or have worked, or live or have lived, within a residential Royal Household.” www.mulberrylodge9834.info/I suspect that many of the old brigade in the Royal Households are no longer around and that the younger staff are not interested in joining, all the more because of 'diversity'. It is likely that the general decline in the number of Freemasons is irreversible.
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Post by UnseenI on Jul 18, 2023 7:30:29 GMT
“They need to work out ways to attract new people, but too many people are suspicious of them, these days.” Very true. It doesn't help that there are no major or younger royals involved with the craft either, and Prince Michael of Kent's Russian ties and dealings may put people off joining. They are well aware of the problem and are trying to do something about it: “On average, there has been a 2.5 per cent annual decline in our membership each year across England, Wales, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man since 2008, taking us from around 200,000 members 10 years ago to a little more than 150,000 today.” www.ugle.org.uk/discover-freemasonry/blog/forging-thriving-future-strategy-freemasonry-2022-and-beyond#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20there%20has%20been,little%20more%20than%20150%2C000%20today. UGLE have a seven-year strategy to increase and sustain their numbers. They need to get people in and keep them in – a high proportion of the new intake resigns. The Kent brothers have a big problem on their hands.
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Post by Avacyn on Aug 10, 2023 6:53:55 GMT
Royal masons and the Palace Lodge
“Let us not forget the Masonic Lodge that was in Buckingham Palace a number of years back, too...” There is little to add to the existing information on this thread, but things have changed since the last post: Prince Philip is no longer around to support the craft. The Duke of Kent still heads the UGLE, but he is now 87 years old. King Charles is not a mason. I doubt whether any of the younger royals will join. As for the lodge associated with the Palace: “Mulberry Lodge No 9834 was formed in 2007 for Freemasons who work or have worked, or live or have lived, within a residential Royal Household.” www.mulberrylodge9834.info/I suspect that many of the old brigade in the Royal Households are no longer around and that the younger staff are not interested in joining, all the more because of 'diversity'. It is likely that the general decline in the number of Freemasons is irreversible. It could be that the younger members of the Royal Family and the household do not mention they are members. Also, it could easily be that you cannot know if they are, unless you can pinoint your search exactly. My town still has Masonic lodges, and there are some avenues I can look into. I need to remember, so I can do a little more digging on this. You would be surprised who are Freemasons. Also, it is not how many they have, but where they are situated.
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Post by UnseenI on Aug 10, 2023 18:21:19 GMT
Young royal masons?
“It could be that the younger members of the Royal Family and the household do not mention they are members. Also, it could easily be that you cannot know if they are, unless you can pinpoint your search exactly.”
This point has been raised a few times in the past, both on here and on the CC Forum. On reflection, I still think that we would know about it if any of the young royals were Masons. There is no reason and no need to keep it a secret – although they might want to keep quiet about some of the procedures!
On the contrary, the young royals would be useful as bait. I said this some years back:
“Maybe they were actively recruited to be a front and give credibility and a cover of respectability to the brotherhood. Their public approval might put people’s doubts and fears to rest and encourage other men to participate.”
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Post by UnseenI on Aug 10, 2023 18:23:00 GMT
We need an insider!
“My town still has Masonic lodges, and there are some avenues I can look into.” You could consider taking one for the team: you could join the craft to see what they really get up to! Kent is full of lodges and halls. This might be suitable for you:
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Post by UnseenI on Aug 14, 2023 9:19:25 GMT
A recent lecture about royal Masons
There was an interesting lecture about royal Masons last year. I get the impression that it mainly concentrated on the past: “This lecture discusses not only those members of the Royal Family whose contributions to the Craft remain well-known today, of whom King Edward VII and the Duke of Connaught are examples, but other members who are now less well remembered, such as the ill-fated Dukes of Albany and Clarence. Members of the Royal Family who were not Freemasons nonetheless supported its charities and recognised its force for good, so that Queen Victoria and Prince Albert, the Prince Consort, are not omitted.” www.thesquaremagazine.com/mag/article/202304prestonian-lecture-2022/
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Post by Avacyn on Aug 17, 2023 6:55:48 GMT
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“My town still has Masonic lodges, and there are some avenues I can look into.” You could consider taking one for the team: you could join the craft to see what they really get up to! Kent is full of lodges and halls. This might be suitable for you: I could join, but one thing about the Freemasons is the tithing. You have to pay an amount every year to the charity that is sponsored by the Head of the lodge, and if they step down and are replaced, that new head can then appoint a new charity... and then you need to immediately pay a new tithe to that charity. This will be regardless of whether you just paid, or the year is not up - you need to pay that new tithe. Then again, chances are that the networking opportunities that would present themselves could land me with a better job, thus more money. It would mean a larger tithe, because the amount is in proportion to your income. You also end up hearing of other opportunities, so can invest in businesses and such. You can end up rather comfortably off through passive incomes and the like. I also know that there are quite a few high up people in my hospital Trust that are members, and I know one has gotten very high up in the organisation. If this helps at all. I still have yet to get the opportunity to get more meaningful information, unfortunately.
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Post by Avacyn on Aug 17, 2023 11:39:01 GMT
...William and Harry are said to have shown no interest in becoming freemasons. Hi long term lurker here. I used to read the old forum, you've been doing a great job. Can I just jump in here and ask why if Harry has no interest in masonry he keeps signalling? Here he is with the classic hidden hand i.e. What we are is what we ultimately do: They might not be part of a public lodge but i'm not sure we can say there is no interest. This might interest you: SOURCE: freemasonrywatch.org/blog/2018/05/25/uk-freemason-posts-photo-of-prince-harry-in-masonic-garb-on-twitter-on-royal-wedding-day/I cannot say if this is a real pair of photos or not, but they pass casual inspection. Which makes me wonder if they are members, but have worked to keep it a secret. If this helps at all.
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Post by UnseenI on Aug 17, 2023 17:19:52 GMT
“I could join, but one thing about the Freemasons is the tithing...I still have yet to get the opportunity to get more meaningful information, unfortunately.”
My suggestion was really a joke, but maybe you will be able to get some more information about possible royal members without committing yourself.
I once worked on sorting out the Freemason records on a hospice's database. I did some research just to get some idea of what they were about. I discovered VOMIT, the Victims of Masonic Ill Treatment, and The Masonic Bikers Association The Widows Sons. Then there was the Travelling Towel...
I noticed that some of the Lodges on the database no longer existed, some had merged and one had a website with an emergency appeal for new members.
Young men now have other options – maybe they use LinkedIn and other social media to make contacts and learn about opportunities.
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Post by UnseenI on Aug 17, 2023 17:20:18 GMT
“I cannot say if this is a real pair of photos or not, but they pass casual inspection.”
My view is that they are photo-shopped!
There is more about Harry and the Masons on the Sussexes thread.
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Post by Avacyn on Aug 18, 2023 6:42:36 GMT
“I could join, but one thing about the Freemasons is the tithing...I still have yet to get the opportunity to get more meaningful information, unfortunately.” My suggestion was really a joke, but maybe you will be able to get some more information about possible royal members without committing yourself. I once worked on sorting out the Freemason records on a hospice's database. I did some research just to get some idea of what they were about. I discovered VOMIT, the Victims of Masonic Ill Treatment, and The Masonic Bikers Association The Widows Sons. Then there was the Travelling Towel... I noticed that some of the Lodges on the database no longer existed, some had merged and one had a website with an emergency appeal for new members. Young men now have other options – maybe they use LinkedIn and other social media to make contacts and learn about opportunities. Well, I saw an opportunity, and took one of my avenues to learn a bit more. You cannot simply sign a form, and then you are in. You need to have a nomination. And you need to have some wealth to you, preferably a business. You essentially need standing, and in this day and age no-one young is in that position. So we now have one reason why their membership numbers are in such decline. They have unrealistic standards that cannot be upheld in the modern day. And you are right about LinkedIn. It has a lot of flexibility and potential. And it is part of a wider strategy I have, along with what to do to develop here. The Freemasons are absolutely outdated, and need to undergo change to survive.
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Post by Avacyn on Aug 18, 2023 6:46:28 GMT
“I cannot say if this is a real pair of photos or not, but they pass casual inspection.” My view is that they are photo-shopped! There is more about Harry and the Masons on the Sussexes thread. I really need to get the coding done, so we can link post numbers. There is a way to have each post have a number, and you can get the location of each specific post. Honestly? I would expect that as well. I would argue they are photoshopped, but have not yet conducted a proper examination of the photos. One thought that has struck me: what if there is a new, modern day alternative to the Freemasons, that we have not yet heard about? What if there is a replacement secret society?
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Post by UnseenI on Aug 18, 2023 17:58:19 GMT
Mason references on here
Some blogs have tags or labels for each post so that people can select on a name or topic. Maybe ProBoards will introduce this feature some time.
Meanwhile, Seach – internal or outside via Google – works quite well.
I have used the internal one and there are eight pages of results: other royal threads, Celebrities, Janus, Purple, Sol Invictus... the Freemasons are everywhere!
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Post by UnseenI on Aug 18, 2023 17:59:14 GMT
Freemasons: adapt or die
“The Freemasons are absolutely outdated, and need to undergo change to survive.” This topic has wider applications, but as the two royal Kent brothers are very much part of the organisation and must be well aware that things must change, some ideas might as well go here. We have mentioned the lodge at Buckingham Palace; I have learned that there is a lodge for members of parliament, peers and parliamentary staff in the Palace of Westminster. There is also a lodge for political journalists and one for other journalists. This seems not to have been widely known until it was revealed a few years ago: “The disclosure that both journalists and politicians are Freemasons comes after the outgoing chair of the Police Federation alleged that Freemasons were blocking reforms in policing and thwarting the progress of women and officers from black and minority ethnic communities. After three years as the chair of the Police Federation, Steve White said: “I found that there were people who were fundamentally against any kind of change and any kind of progress, and they always happened to be Freemasons.” www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/04/two-freemasons-lodges-operating-secretly-at-westminster
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Post by UnseenI on Aug 21, 2023 16:04:12 GMT
Another secret signal?
“One thought that has struck me: what if there is a new, modern day alternative to the Freemasons, that we have not yet heard about? What if there is a replacement secret society?" You may be right. I have a good idea who the leader is. He is signalling to his followers here:
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Post by UnseenI on Aug 23, 2023 18:01:24 GMT
Even the waxwork is doing it!
I wonder why Madame Tussauds chose this particular pose:
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Post by UnseenI on Aug 25, 2023 18:09:58 GMT
Freemasons and the Russian Revolution
Pictures of Prince Michael of Kent as Grand Master reminded me of his Russian connections, which have been mentioned in other threads. This made me wonder about Russian Masons. I assumed that they would have been monarchists, so I was surprised to find that they had a major role in dethroning the Czar and subsequently forming a provisional government. Lenin and Trotsky were Freemasons - allegedly.
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 3, 2023 18:12:06 GMT
Masons in high places
“You would be surprised who are Freemasons. Also, it is not how many they have, but where they are situated.” This is very true. I recently learned of and posted about Andrew Carnegie's financing an attempt to broker a peace deal between King Edward VII and Kaiser Wilhelm II. He thought that his money and influence could stop the impending war. Andrew Carnegie is reported to have been a Mason. Edward VII as we have seen was a Mason. US President Theodore Roosevelt, who was involved in the negotiations, was a Mason. Kaiser Wilhelm II was Queen Victoria's grandson, thus Edward VII was his uncle. The Kaiser was fanatically opposed to Masonry. Theodore Roosevelt in his regalia in 1905:
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Post by Avacyn on Sept 5, 2023 6:56:55 GMT
Mason references on here
Some blogs have tags or labels for each post so that people can select on a name or topic. Maybe ProBoards will introduce this feature some time. Meanwhile, Seach – internal or outside via Google – works quite well. I have used the internal one and there are eight pages of results: other royal threads, Celebrities, Janus, Purple, Sol Invictus... the Freemasons are everywhere! The feature can be added by me, but I need to know what lines of code is needed, and where to put them in the system. I need to do a little research into it.
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Post by Avacyn on Sept 6, 2023 6:40:01 GMT
Freemasons: adapt or die
“The Freemasons are absolutely outdated, and need to undergo change to survive.” This topic has wider applications, but as the two royal Kent brothers are very much part of the organisation and must be well aware that things must change, some ideas might as well go here. We have mentioned the lodge at Buckingham Palace; I have learned that there is a lodge for members of parliament, peers and parliamentary staff in the Palace of Westminster. There is also a lodge for political journalists and one for other journalists. This seems not to have been widely known until it was revealed a few years ago: “The disclosure that both journalists and politicians are Freemasons comes after the outgoing chair of the Police Federation alleged that Freemasons were blocking reforms in policing and thwarting the progress of women and officers from black and minority ethnic communities. After three years as the chair of the Police Federation, Steve White said: “I found that there were people who were fundamentally against any kind of change and any kind of progress, and they always happened to be Freemasons.” www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/04/two-freemasons-lodges-operating-secretly-at-westminster Oh, they are everywhere. I know my local NHS Hospital Trust has a number of high ranking managers and executives being members, there is at least one in my department who is one. They don't know that I know, to be clear. I also know that you will have a number of high ranking Kent police officers being Freemasons as well, and if you want to run a business like a nightclub, and not have any problems with licensing or such, it is best to become a Mason. If we are looking at then controlling Kent, then... it is a matter of debate. There was one block for a while, at least in parts of Kent. That being Jimmy Godden, who was a powerful figure who died in 2012. He had no liking for them, so areas like Margate would not have had Masonic influence whilst he was alive. So are they everywhere? Yes. But how much they can control and influence is open to question. Of course, they can hear thongs, and invest in businesses and such like... and gain influence that way. If this all helps at all.
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Post by Avacyn on Sept 6, 2023 6:41:46 GMT
Another secret signal?
“One thought that has struck me: what if there is a new, modern day alternative to the Freemasons, that we have not yet heard about? What if there is a replacement secret society?" You may be right. I have a good idea who the leader is. He is signalling to his followers here: The finger has three segments. Two fingers up, two sets of three segments: 33. And he could be doing it twice... 33 is a key occult number.
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Post by Avacyn on Sept 6, 2023 6:45:25 GMT
Even the waxwork is doing it!
I wonder why Madame Tussauds chose this particular pose: Not by accident, or coincidence. As an aside, he studied at Eton College, which itself has a Lodge: www.oldetonianlodge.org/Not the only school to have one, either.
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Post by Avacyn on Sept 6, 2023 6:49:45 GMT
Masons in high places
“You would be surprised who are Freemasons. Also, it is not how many they have, but where they are situated.” This is very true. I recently learned of and posted about Andrew Carnegie's financing an attempt to broker a peace deal between King Edward VII and Kaiser Wilhelm II. He thought that his money and influence could stop the impending war. Andrew Carnegie is reported to have been a Mason. Edward VII as we have seen was a Mason. US President Theodore Roosevelt, who was involved in the negotiations, was a Mason. Kaiser Wilhelm II was Queen Victoria's grandson, thus Edward VII was his uncle. The Kaiser was fanatically opposed to Masonry. Theodore Roosevelt in his regalia in 1905: Interesting what happened to the one person in the equation who was not a Mason... which does raise an eyebrow. Still trying to get more information, by the way. It is taking longer than expected, so apologies. But there is certainly something hidden in their activities, and knowing the rituals better would help.
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 6, 2023 17:46:03 GMT
Recognising a Mason
“...they are everywhere. I know my local NHS Hospital Trust has a number of high ranking managers and executives being members, there is at least one in my department who is one. They don't know that I know, to be clear.” This is fascinating. Unfortunately, the days when I worked with many people ended long before I became interested in the Brethren. I could have been surrounded by them, but I would never have known this. My only experience of knowing that someone was a Mason was on a bus some years ago. Two men got on and sat in front of me. I felt very uncomfortable as there was something very odd about them. I think that one was Italian. They wore dark suits and carried small square leather cases – probably their aprons etc. were inside. I knew what they were because I heard them mention the 2nd degree and they talked about Freemasons' Hall in Great Queen Street. I think that they were on their way there. I intended to go on one of the guided tours of this building, but COVID intervened. This might interest you:
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 10, 2023 16:12:18 GMT
Prince Charles and royal attitudes to Freemasonry
I said this more than two years ago: “I looked for patterns among the princes and kings who were/were not Freemasons but couldn't see anything. Both groups include men who expected to become king and men who did not.” I have recently found something interesting online to add to this. There are three possible attitudes to Freemasonry: being in favour, being anti, and not much caring one way or the other. Prince Philip was an example of a man in the middle: he was caught between his future father-in-law George VI who wanted him to become a Mason and his uncle Lord Mountbatten, who is said to have been fiercely opposed to the Brotherhood, who wanted him to stay out. Philip did join, but he didn't take it at all seriously. He soon forgot all about it and had no further involvement. Prince Charles was influenced by his father's attitude of indifference, and even more so by his mentor Lord Mountbatten's negative views. The Queen Mother, although she had been married to a passionate Mason, was also a major influence against joining: she was one of the people mentioned earlier who believe that Freemasonry and the Anglican Church are incompatible. Prince Charles has held out against much pressure to join over the decades: “It was assumed by high Masons that when Charles reached his twenty-first birthday in 1969, he would be initiated and take over from the Duke of Kent. He refused to be pressed into doing so, and when approached he gave an emphatic 'No', adding, ' I do not want to join any secret society.'” erenow.net/common/the-brotherhood-the-secret-world-of-the-freemasons/24.phpAll this helps to explain why the power and top jobs passed to the Kent brothers. If he can dress like this, it can't be the Masonic costumes that put him off:
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