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Post by Avacyn on Aug 22, 2018 12:29:33 GMT
Queen Mary: more revelations
Avacyn said this a while back: “The likes of Mary of Teck were powerful, respected figures. They understood spin and publicity, in ways the current generation do not.” Much of this respect was the result of ignorance, lack of sophistication and the assumption that the real person and the impressive public images were the same. It really was all based on spin. I remember that the DM revealed that Queen Mary and George V were known in some circles as ‘fertile and futile’. They have published some more image-spoiling information about Queen Mary. It was collected by a biographer over 50 years ago but was confidential so was kept secret until recently. This is a sad story if true: “…Queen Mary’s father, the Duke of Teck, died ‘insane’, and … Queen Mary was never in love with the Duke of Clarence, to whom she was briefly engaged, nor with his younger brother, Prince George, whom she later married… the real love of Mary’s life was the 7th Earl of Hopetoun, a distinguished statesman: ‘She loved him in such a way that she had no love left after that.’“ This thread is well named! It really was all a Façade.  www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-6068063/The-Queen-mean-gave-friends-old-flowers.html Interesting revelations indeed. I suspect there is quite a bit of truth in the claims, too. I think you are also right; it has always been an illusion. Ignorance is bliss, as they say. |
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Post by UnseenI on Aug 24, 2018 18:49:47 GMT
Some opinions of the Queen Mother
From Avacyn a while back: “I think it is safe to say that the last truly respected and liked Royal was Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. She was the last of that era, if you will.” The Queen Mother certainly inspired people and gave them good feelings; she was a positive influence during the war years. Unsophisticated people bought the public image of the sweet, gracious old lady, the nation’s favourite grandmother, for decades. That was then. The truth started to come out after her death. Since then, various people including insiders who knew her well have been writing books and articles and giving interviews about the QM. Some of it is very disillusioning. The DM has produced several articles in which people have their say about her - and it isn’t pretty. The stories about her may or may not be true, but some of the comments show how much the way people see her has changed: “Selfish old woman”; “Odious old harpy” “The QM was a pompous, wicked, two faced old witch. Her smile never reached her eyes...“ www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4438702/The-Queen-Mother-never-allowed-Diana-mentioned.htmlThe Duke of Windsor was no fan either. He said this in 1971: "Behind that great abundance of charm is a shrewd, scheming and extremely ruthless woman." "Between these four walls, you do realise, don't you, that she is an alcoholic? She begins drinking at ten o'clock in the morning, which doesn't make her any easier to deal with." www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1214573/The-Queen-Mother-That-spiteful-old-soak-dedicated-making-lives-hell.htmlThe QM in her glory days and in extreme old age:  
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Post by aletheia on Aug 24, 2018 19:45:34 GMT
The Duke of Windsor certainly found out first-hand the vindictiveness and ruthlessness of the Queen Mother, with the deprivation of the royal rank for Duchess Windsor as mentioned in the linked DM article as an example.
I'd not heard of her as an alcoholic, that is quite the revelation! It would be interesting to do a summary of various royals and their substance abuse levels; King Zog of Albania reportedly smoked 200 cigarettes per day which is a fantastic amount if true!
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Post by UnseenI on Aug 25, 2018 6:45:35 GMT
“The Duke of Windsor certainly found out first-hand the vindictiveness and ruthlessness of the Queen Mother…”
The Duke of Windsor had good reason to dislike the Queen Mother. Maybe he exaggerated and she just liked a little drinkie from time to time!
He is said to have smoked and drunk to excess himself.
Camilla is said to smoke behind closed doors, or at least to have been a heavy smoker, and her appearance supports the allegation.
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Post by Avacyn on Aug 25, 2018 20:47:11 GMT
Some opinions of the Queen Mother
From Avacyn a while back: “I think it is safe to say that the last truly respected and liked Royal was Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. She was the last of that era, if you will.” The Queen Mother certainly inspired people and gave them good feelings; she was a positive influence during the war years. Unsophisticated people bought the public image of the sweet, gracious old lady, the nation’s favourite grandmother, for decades. That was then. The truth started to come out after her death. Since then, various people including insiders who knew her well have been writing books and articles and giving interviews about the QM. Some of it is very disillusioning. The DM has produced several articles in which people have their say about her - and it isn’t pretty. The stories about her may or may not be true, but some of the comments show how much the way people see her has changed: “Selfish old woman”; “Odious old harpy” “The QM was a pompous, wicked, two faced old witch. Her smile never reached her eyes...“ www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4438702/The-Queen-Mother-never-allowed-Diana-mentioned.htmlThe Duke of Windsor was no fan either. He said this in 1971: "Behind that great abundance of charm is a shrewd, scheming and extremely ruthless woman." "Between these four walls, you do realise, don't you, that she is an alcoholic? She begins drinking at ten o'clock in the morning, which doesn't make her any easier to deal with." www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1214573/The-Queen-Mother-That-spiteful-old-soak-dedicated-making-lives-hell.htmlThe QM in her glory days and in extreme old age: Not a shock to me. I had heard of such things from people with connections to the Royal Family back when she still alive. It just was very low key, and hard to hear.
We live in a very different age, where the crowd can talk to itself much better, and learn things faster. Before, it was all the Vision of the Annointed: Gatekeepers acting like funnels of information. It still exists, but there are huge holes either side of the gate, and we can go and bypass the wall readily.
And they hate that.
So, yes. I am fully beleiving it about the Queen Mother. It tracks everything I know to date.
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Post by Avacyn on Aug 25, 2018 20:50:14 GMT
The Duke of Windsor certainly found out first-hand the vindictiveness and ruthlessness of the Queen Mother, with the deprivation of the royal rank for Duchess Windsor as mentioned in the linked DM article as an example. I'd not heard of her as an alcoholic, that is quite the revelation! It would be interesting to do a summary of various royals and their substance abuse levels; King Zog of Albania reportedly smoked 200 cigarettes per day which is a fantastic amount if true! Oh, it's been known for a long time she liked her drink. I think it was gin she was particularly fond of. Wasn't aware she was a full blown alcoholic, mind you. |
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Post by UnseenI on Aug 26, 2018 6:45:25 GMT
Where do we go from here?
From Avacyn recently: “It has always been an illusion. Ignorance is bliss, as they say.” Exactly. Unsophisticated people and outsiders fell for the spin. Things have changed very much in recent years. The Emperors have no clothes. The closet doors are bursting open. I suspect that things will reach crisis point soon.
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Post by Avacyn on Aug 26, 2018 10:10:02 GMT
More than that, UnseenI, you have a leadership crisis in the UK, with Theresa May royally screwing up Brexit. And the Queen does nothing... How to turn people against the monarchy: instead of talking about shady deeds, point out that the Queen is the Head of State, and she does nothing. How can you have a Head of State who does nothing? Trust me, it works. Every time. |
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Post by UnseenI on Aug 26, 2018 19:32:50 GMT
Indeed.
Everything everywhere seems to be crumbling.
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Post by UnseenI on Aug 28, 2018 18:47:32 GMT
How the rot set in
The DM has just repeated, in slightly different form, an article that first appeared in 2011. It is about a home movie style TV documentary film from 1969 that showed the royal family off duty and speaking and behaving informally, just like normal people. The Queen has banned it from being shown since then, as ‘it might let the magic seep out’. The Queen Mother was against the idea, but Lord Mountbatten was in favour: “The Queen had considerable reservations. She consulted her shrewd mother, the one member of the family whose judgment on matters of public relations was considered impeccable. The Queen Mother was vehemently opposed to the plan and told friends she thought it was ‘the most ¬terrible idea’. In the end, it was Prince Philip’s self-serving and self-publicising uncle, Lord Mountbatten — who was, disastrously, to become Prince Charles’s principal mentor — who talked the Queen into authorising the film.” “No wonder the Queen does not want to be reminded of that film which changed our monarchy for ever. She must wish devoutly that she had heeded her mother’s advice and never given it her blessing.” www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1346984/The-home-movie-doesnt-want-Why-Queen-STILL-keeping-wraps-fly-wall-film-changed-view-Royals.htmlwww.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6102521/Why-Queen-refuses-allow-1969-documentary-shown.html For anyone who wants to hear the Queen tell a funny story and see them cook barbeque food, there is a short extract here:
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Post by Avacyn on Aug 28, 2018 22:29:50 GMT
You post has made me think of something. I saw this earlier:
I think a huge part of the monarchy's problems is because of them being the establishment. They are clearly part of the problems in our society, and too many people find out too many things.
Just some thoughts.
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Post by UnseenI on Aug 29, 2018 7:40:16 GMT
How the rot continued
Lord Mountbatten and the Queen got the blame for the 1969 TV programme that ‘changed the monarchy for ever’. Prince Edward made a further contribution to the downfall in 1987 by persuading some of the younger royals to take part in a special edition for charity of the TV game show It’s a Knockout. He was interested in show biz and the programme was made by his film production company. Princess Anne, Prince Andrew, Sarah Ferguson and Prince Edward wore Elizabethan costumes and fooled around in front of hundreds of millions of people worldwide. It was embarrassing and cringeworthy; it was a public relations disaster. 
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Post by UnseenI on Aug 30, 2018 20:24:21 GMT
It’s a Walkout - by the petulant prince
The special royal edition of It’s a Knockout was not too well received, although it did have some A-List celebrities and it raised a lot of money for charity.
Prince Edward was disappointed in the response; perhaps he thought he would get a lot more business for his production company.
He asked the press after the show what they thought of it and they all gave a nervous laugh. He walked out of the conference saying sarcastically, "Thanks for your enthusiasm".
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Post by UnseenI on Aug 31, 2018 7:05:16 GMT
Prince Edward and Ardent Productions
Ancient history now, but an example of what can happen when a royal tries to support himself in the normal way. It all backfired for Prince Edward. From 2010: “Investors who pumped nearly £2.2 million into Ardent Productions – best known for its royal documentaries – were effectively left with nothing when it folded in June 2009. The Earl had boasted that Ardent would become one of the country's leading production firms when he launched the venture in 1993. But he was accused of abusing his position by making a string of programmes about the Royal Family, including a documentary about the restoration of Windsor Castle and a history of his great uncle Edward VIII called Edward on Edward.” www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/7532309/Prince-Edwards-Ardent-Productions-left-with-assets-of-just-40.html 
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 2, 2018 19:13:46 GMT
Prince Edward the actor
Prince Edward’s show-biz enterprises are well known: no hiding any activities behind a façade in his case. I wonder though why someone who is already in a position to wear fancy costumes and play a part in public should enjoy dressing up and acting. Maybe he was just stage-struck. Maybe he thought that he had talent. A reminder of his It’s a Knockout role, and a picture of him playing the part of the Judge in a Cambridge University production of Arthur Miller's The Crucible:  
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 2, 2018 19:17:46 GMT
Prince Edward 19 years ago today
He issued a statement on September 2nd 1999 in the hope of calming a storm raised by a comment he made during a marketing tour of film and TV companies in the US in which he was trying to get commissions for Ardent Productions. “He contrasted his warm reception in the United States with attitudes at home, claiming ‘they hate anyone who succeeds’, and adding: ‘There was a much greater openness and willingness to take us for what we are here. Over there, there's more baggage, if you understand that expression.’" www.independent.co.uk/news/loss-making-earl-says-uk-hates-success-says-edward-1115700.htmlIn that case he should be very popular in the UK as all his enterprises failed! 
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 3, 2018 18:34:21 GMT
Prince Edward, the Joker in the royal family
The story of Prince Edward and Ardent reminds me of James Middleton and Boomf. “The Prince Of Wales rejected an extraordinary request to invest in Ardent Productions, the film production company set up by the Earl of Wessex, on the grounds that he did not think his brother's venture would make money. Geoffrey Bignell, a former financial adviser to Prince Charles, revealed last week that the heir to the throne was approached by his brother for start-up funds for the firm in 1993. Mr Bignell said that Prince Edward, whose company's unique selling point was that it would have unprecedented access to royal circles, sent Prince Charles a business plan, which immediately caused concerns within the Royal Family. ‘’When asking Prince Charles for money, Prince Edward submitted his business plan for Ardent which included a list of proposed films,’ said Mr Bignell. ‘On one he wanted the Queen Mother to do the voice-over. Prince Philip was staggered and made his views clear in the margin of the document.’ www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1467784/Charles-refused-brothers-plea-to-invest-in-his-TV-company.htmlWas Prince Edward desperate or delusional? He may have had access to royal circles, but they would not cooperate with him or dance to his tune. The Queen Mother was the last person to do a voice-over. I would like to see Prince Philip’s comments! 
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 3, 2018 18:35:35 GMT
The recent royal wedding, Malcolm X and Thelema
The wedding of Harry and Meghan took place on May 19th this year.
I said at the time that preacher Bishop Michael Curry mentioned Martin Luther King and that Malcolm X would have said the same thing about the Bishop as he did about King.
Michael and Martin: MM.
By coincidence, May 19th would have been US activist Malcolm X’s 93rd birthday.
By coincidence, 93 is a very significant number in the occult philosophy/religion Thelema.
There is another M X connection: Trinidadian criminal and activist Michael X was said to have possessed compromising pictures of Princess Margaret.
By coincidence, the Queen will be 93 next birthday.
None of this means anything of course.
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 8, 2018 18:03:50 GMT
Ardent Productions: the final straw
The media agreed to respect Prince William’s privacy when he first went to university in September 2001. A 2-man camera crew was seen filming in breach of the agreement. No guesses which company they were working for: “Ardent Productions admitted that its two-man crew had been filming in the Fife town but denied the claim by St James's Palace that it had specifically targeted the 19-year-old Prince. A statement said that if the crew's actions had jeopardised the agreement that the press would leave the Prince alone after Sunday then the company apologised. The earl was said to be "upset" and "amazed at all the furore", caused when the Ardent crew was found filming on Monday and Wednesday. The Prince of Wales was described as ‘incandescent’ with rage that Ardent had ignored a St James's Palace request for all media to leave St Andrews on Sunday. Ardent's claim that the crew had not targeted the Prince was in direct contradiction to the view at St James's Palace. A Palace spokesman said: ‘They did try to film William and were noticed by him. It is quite disappointing as every other media organisation has left St Andrews to leave William the opportunity to start university in relative peace.’ Prince William is understood to have telephoned his father after noticing the crew as he left a lecture on Wednesday.” www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1357824/Princes-company-says-sorry-but-denies-filming-William.htmlThere were a few denials, but why else would they still be there after the other companies had left?
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 8, 2018 18:05:17 GMT
Ardent Productions: some last words
An unkind but true remark from March 2002: “Few were surprised when Prince Edward announced that his career in TV was over. The only mystery was how it had lasted so long.” Ardent Productions was said to be a sad joke in the industry: “It has been mocked for the grandiosity and unworldliness of its business premises: in the stable block of Bagshot Park, Edward's vast Victorian residence in the Surrey countryside, miles from every useful professional contact.“ www.theguardian.com/media/2002/mar/05/themonarchy.broadcastingIt is all very well to say that the royals should earn their own livings, but look what happened here! The big businessman himself: 
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Post by UnseenI on Sept 12, 2018 18:09:19 GMT
Prince Edward’s ‘career’
Prince Edward, Earl of Essex has been called ‘Expenses Eddie” because of the amount of public money he has spent on overseas trips. ‘Stage-struck Eddie’ and ‘String of Failed Enterprises Eddie’ are very suitable too. It is sad to think that it all came to nothing. I wonder whether he still feels bad about his failure to make it either as an actor or a producer. "’I love the razzmatazz of show business,’ Edward said in 1987. ‘It's a wonderful world of fantasy and make-believe.’ When he abandoned a short, inglorious career in the Royal Marines in 1987, and the following year accepted a job as a production assistant at Andrew Lloyd Webber's Really Useful Group, his path seemed clear, if perilous. He would make a proper professional living, the first senior member of the royal family to do so, as a theatre producer. His own acting had become too amateurish - he liked to shout his lines and run about on stage a lot - and too much of a publicity risk to continue with, but production seemed an attractive second choice. When Edward's theatre career stalled in the early 90s (he had left the Really Useful Group for a new troupe called Theatre Division, which closed after a year with debts of £600,000), he decided on television once and for all. Prince Philip had wanted him to become an accountant.” www.theguardian.com/media/2002/mar/05/themonarchy.broadcastingThat last bit must surely be a joke! So his career began with the Marines and ended with Ardent Productions. What a pity that it all backfired and turned sour. Still, he wanted to live in a wonderful world of fantasy and make-believe, and if royal life doesn’t provide that I don’t know what does! It all happened in public; I wonder what he has done that we don’t know about! There are some very serious allegations about his two brothers, but not about him. Looking just like a joker in this costume from his university dramatic days: 
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Post by UnseenI on Nov 20, 2018 18:14:38 GMT
Princess Margaret, the rubber clam shell and the disappearing food
The more I learn about Princess Margaret, she worse she seems. I found an article in the DM that shows how thoughtless, inconsiderate, selfish or even deliberately sadistic she could be. I did know that etiquette dictated that people should stop eating when she did and that she did not eat very much, but this anecdote from someone who was invited to a meal with her at Kensington Palace in the 1980s shows her going much too far: “She didn’t seem to have much of an appetite. As I was trying to extract a second prawn from under its pink sauce, her fist came thumping down on a rubber clam shell positioned six inches from her placemat. The clam must have contained a hidden bell, as seconds later the butler came flying back, removed our nearly full bowls, topped up her whisky, then ran off to get the next course — which was petit poulet with roast vegetables, bread sauce and gravy. I was just lifting a forkful up to my mouth when down came the royal fist, back came the butler and my plate was gone. When he next returned, he was carrying a tray with four enormous glass bowls, each containing a delicious-looking trifle. This produced a steely glare from the Princess. ‘I really don’t think anyone has space for pudding,’ she announced, waving the butler off...” www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6124685/Princess-Margaret-gate-crashed-date-daughter.htmlThis is funny, but how unkind and unfair to the guests and what a waste of food. I wonder how much public money she got through during her lifetime. Why should we support such behaviour? Princess Margaret opened a new Sainsbury’s supermarket in Bath in 1982. I can guess which display interested her the most:  
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Post by UnseenI on Nov 20, 2018 18:17:36 GMT
Princess Margaret gate-crashed her daughter’s date
The DM article mentioned above tells how the young William Miller and a friend arrived at Kensington Palace to collect Princess Margaret’s daughter Sarah for a visit to the musical Cats. Princess Margaret was very ill-mannered and insensitive on this occasion. She invited herself along to the theatre with them, and on the return to the palace made the two young men come in. Being a bad hostess by not giving them a chance to eat their delicious food was bad enough, but what she did next was even worse: “Crestfallen, Conrad and I were led back into the drawing room by Sarah and her mother, who was now waltzing her way across the room to the record player. For the next two hours, she proceeded to choreograph Sarah, Conrad and me through a series of dance routines from Guys And Dolls — a nightmare combination of my two least favourite things: dancing and musical theatre.” www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6124685/Princess-Margaret-gate-crashed-date-daughter.htmlPrincess Margaret was over 50 at the time, so should have learned some consideration for others. Maybe she enjoyed treating visitors as a captive audience, imposing her will on them and literally and metaphorically making them dance to her tune. Maybe she was envious of the young people, so deliberately sabotaged their evening. She got away with a lot when she was young because of her glamour. In later life she became known as a monster, the ‘house-guest from Hell’!  
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Post by UnseenI on Nov 22, 2018 18:55:25 GMT
More about Princess Margaret
Another extract from a book about this awful woman - why buy biographies when the DM publishes the best bits! “To impress on people that she was Royal, Princess Margaret had to take the only path available to her: to act imperiously, to make her presence felt, to pull well-wishers up short, to set strangers at their unease. She took a perverse pleasure in saying the wrong thing, ruffling feathers, disarming, disdaining, making her displeasure felt… Many stories follow another arc: the Princess arrives late, delaying dinner to catch up with her drinking and smoking. At the table, she grows more and more relaxed; by midnight, it dawns on the assembled company that she is in it for the long haul, which means that they will be, too, since protocol dictates that no one can leave before she does.” www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4868796/How-Princess-Margaret-turned-pickiness-art-form.htmlSo they have to hang around until she gets tired? Heavy drinking and smoking and a hedonistic lifestyle with late nights as the norm are very ageing, but being horrible on the inside has an even worse effect:  
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Post by UnseenI on Nov 23, 2018 18:13:30 GMT
Princess Margaret and the controversial soup
This anecdote from the DM speaks for itself: "...her strong competitive streak was not always matched by ability. One fellow house guest recalled: ‘We were playing Trivial Pursuit, and the question was the name of a curried soup.' She said, 'It’s just called curried soup. There isn’t any other name for it. It’s curried soup!' Our host said, 'No, Ma’am – the answer is mulligatawny.' And she said, 'No, it’s curried soup!' And she got so furious that she tossed the whole board in the air, sending all the pieces flying everywhere.’" www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4868796/How-Princess-Margaret-turned-pickiness-art-form.htmlWhat an ungracious person she was.
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 11, 2018 8:02:33 GMT
The Queen and mole hunting
If the following anecdote is true, it is a pity that the Queen’s corgis are all dead as they could have been brought in to hunt for the Kensington Palace mole: “Her relationship with Diana Spencer got off to a bad start when the future princess cried after one of the corgis caught a mole. ‘If there's one thing Her Majesty can't stand, it's a blubber,’ an equerry told me. On subsequent visits by her daughter-in-law, the Queen would jovially suggest a mole hunt.” www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/60-things-you-never-knew-about-the-queen-7811811.htmlThis seems very unkind of the Queen.
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 19, 2018 18:02:34 GMT
Prince George and the Spanish nanny
Maria Borrallo is still around it seems. I get bad feelings about her. Some children are very sensitive to people’s vibes and energy fields. They may become attuned to negativity, which will get them into trouble in the future. Maybe it is all arranged. 
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 19, 2018 18:05:00 GMT
Lord Frederick Windsor
Lord Frederick Windsor and his daughter Maud are now in the Red Hair thread. There is more to say about Lord Frederick, who is the son of Prince & Princess Michael of Kent. He is said to have a drug problem, and I can well believe it after seeing this picture of him on the way to Buckingham Palace for the 2017 Christmas lunch:  Now look at him on the way to the 2018 Christmas lunch - and it looks like another miserable nanny at the back:  |
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Post by transformer on Dec 19, 2018 19:23:20 GMT
He looks like something from the Munsters or Adams family. How sad.
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Post by UnseenI on Dec 20, 2018 8:42:51 GMT
It is horrific. It is the elephant in the room.
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